Common Sense: HRE Ranks

[jye42]

I was watching EUIV: Common Sense w. "Wiz" and "DDRJake"

It said aside from certain theocracies all nations are duchy rank. Bohemia is historically a kingdom, is this an exception? Also I would suggest that decision/event to become a Grand Duchy as Austria should also make you count as a kingdom.
Is this the case or not?

 

[HerrStarr]

Electors can be kingdoms, if i remember correctly

 

[Daddl]

Bohemia is a kingdom from the start. Furthermore, only electors or the emperor itself can be king rank inside the HRE. For example, if you are a member of the HRE and form Prussia/Germany/Italy (Netherlands?), this will bring you to king rank and make you leave the HRE if you are not the emperor or an elector yourself.

Because of this, Austria can't get Archduke count as king, because it would mean they have to leave the empire once they are not elected for one time. But what I don't know, does your nation get Emperor rank while you are the Emperor or is this just possible after Renovatio Imperii?

Another question would be what happens if you remove electorate status of Bohemia. If their rank is still King then, this would force them to leave the HRE, even if that maybe isn't intended.

And finally, if you form Italy while you are Emperor, but then loose an election, will this also mean that you then instantly leave the HRE?

 

[HerrStarr]

Bohemia is a kingdom from the start. Furthermore, only electors or the emperor itself can be king rank inside the HRE. For example, if you are a member of the HRE and form Prussia/Germany/Italy (Netherlands?), this will bring you to king rank and make you leave the HRE if you are not the emperor or an elector yourself.

Because of this, Austria can't get Archduke count as king, because it would mean they have ro leave the empire once they are not elected for one time. But what I don't know, does your nation get Emperor rank while you are the Emperor or is this just possible after Renovatio Imperii?

Another question would be what happens if you remove electorate status of Bohemia. If their rank is still King then, this would force them to leave the HRE, even if that maybe isn't intended.

And finally, if you form Italy while you are Emperor, but then loose a election, will this also mean that you then instantly leave the HRE?

I'm absolutely sure that in a future patch the whole system will be tweaked, maybe creating a middle or a special rank for imperial kingdoms

 

[Wizzington]

I'm absolutely sure that in a future patch the whole system will be tweaked, maybe creating a middle or a special rank for imperial kingdoms

Unlikely. I think 3 government ranks is perfect.

 

[Daddl]

So it works like I said above? So for example, if you want a HRE Italy, you either have to be Emperor all the time or be/make yourself an elector?

 

[GothicEmperor]

I'm absolutely sure that in a future patch the whole system will be tweaked, maybe creating a middle or a special rank for imperial kingdoms

Why would that be?

 

[blackchoas]

Unlikely. I think 3 government ranks is perfect.

what do different government ranks even do? Is it just the Nation Focus cool down or is it more? And does it change depending on what your exact government type is?

 

[themunck]

So, does this mean that if I'm close to forming Prussia, the AI will actually notice and be inclined to offer me an electorate? Or will it just accept losing the northeastern empire when I hit the decision?

 

[HerrStarr]

Unlikely. I think 3 government ranks is perfect.

I hope so, you tested the game, not me
How do you resolved the eventual electorate revocation to bohemia? A decision about downgrading their rank or leave HRE?

Edit
Bohemia or any other elector

 

[jjjdddsss]

So, does this mean that if I'm close to forming Prussia, the AI will actually notice and be inclined to offer me an electorate? Or will it just accept losing the northeastern empire when I hit the decision?

You start as an elector don't you?

 

[GothicEmperor]

So, does this mean that if I'm close to forming Prussia, the AI will actually notice and be inclined to offer me an electorate? Or will it just accept losing the northeastern empire when I hit the decision?

If you're Brandenburg you're already an electorate. If you're the Teutonic Order and turn into Prussia you can PU/vassalize/inherit Brandenburg; I'm not sure if those also bring along elector status.

 

[Haccoude]

Will this be moddable? If I for example to make it so losing Elector status doesn't remove Kingship, but gaining Kingship is more complicated inside the HRE than outside, would I be able to do that?

 

[MiniaAr]

Unlikely. I think 3 government ranks is perfect.

Is it 100% impossible to convince you to add a "count" rank in the future, as this would allow at least some progression in the HRE if one cannot succeed in becoming Elector/King/Emperor?

 

[jye42]

I still think it would be thematically suitable for Austria to have a special event or decision for to allow their transition into an Arch Duchy to allow them to have the rank of Kingdom without being an elector or being kicked from the HRE, even if they are the only exception to the rule. I do think that it does makes sense for the Netherlands and Italy to be kicked upon formation.

 

[tobias.mb]

Wait. So if I started as the teutons (joined the empire), I get kicked out again when I reform into Prussia? At least let me choose to remain in the empire and accept beeing a Duke in return.

 

[earlofbrigand]

You can hold two titles at once (well, you could historically!). So Elector of Brandenburg + Kingdom of Prussia

 

[_B_art.cz]

...Another question would be what happens if you remove electorate status of Bohemia. If their rank is still King then, this would force them to leave the HRE, even if that maybe isn't intended...

I think I read somewhere, that they would downgrade from kingdom to duchy.

Edit: don't know why cannot quote it, but it is: "Electors that lose their electorate drop in rank, you do not automatically gain rank upon becoming one." by Wiz https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...iary-16th-of-april-2015.851327/&sdpDevPosts=1

 

[mcmanusaur]

Unlikely. I think 3 government ranks is perfect.

Is it possible to mod in additional government ranks (i.e. county)?

 

[Rain Envy]

Im curious about what OP mentioned. Are you automatically kicked out of the HRE or does your rank simply get degraded back down to Duchy if you were once a Kingdom/Emperor. If Austria forms the Arch Duchy are they still emperor?