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Veldmaarschalk said:
What are the variables that determine whether or not you get the Crusade events, out of curiosity? Do you know for certain?
Disloyalists
Hey, I am an EU3 and VIP:R veteran, and I thought I'd take a stab at Crusaders. Obviously, the format of CKDV is much different from either of those, and I've been slowly adapting and adjusting to the dynastic focus. There is one thing I can't figure out though...
I have been playing as the Principality of Novgorod, and I've started and failed a few times while trying to get my bearings with the game. On my latest attempt, I conquered Bjarmia and the Eastern Sames pretty quickly, inherited Kiev, and then conquered Livs, Finland, Osel, the Vyatchis (sp?) and Vodi. My badboy was pretty bad by that point, so I thought I'd let it cool off, and for many many years, I waged no wars except for conquering a few of Norway's vassals as it fell apart, and taking a piece of Poland when it attacked one of my vassals. During this time of peace, my ruler died, and his successor ascended the throne. This, of course, was met with initial political unrest, which subsided almost completely before too much time had passed. Then gradually, my vassal loyalty just kept getting worse and worse.
I had a bad reputation, to be sure, but I had not exceeded my demesne size limit, and I had not exceeded the badboy limit either. I was operating under feudal contract law, and the revolts did not seem to have any religious continuity. My ruler was Russian Orthodox, yet my biggest loyalty problems seemed to be in the main Novgorod provinces and in Kiev, while my Norwegian provinces were happy as clams.
Can anyone tell me why this happened? I did try using the gold and byzantine cheats to appease the dissenters for experimental purposes, but the problem was recurring regardless. I suppose the heart of my question is; what factors determine a vassal's loyalty, and what can I do about it?
Hey, I am an EU3 and VIP:R veteran, and I thought I'd take a stab at Crusaders. Obviously, the format of CKDV is much different from either of those, and I've been slowly adapting and adjusting to the dynastic focus. There is one thing I can't figure out though...
I have been playing as the Principality of Novgorod, and I've started and failed a few times while trying to get my bearings with the game. On my latest attempt, I conquered Bjarmia and the Eastern Sames pretty quickly, inherited Kiev, and then conquered Livs, Finland, Osel, the Vyatchis (sp?) and Vodi. My badboy was pretty bad by that point, so I thought I'd let it cool off, and for many many years, I waged no wars except for conquering a few of Norway's vassals as it fell apart, and taking a piece of Poland when it attacked one of my vassals. During this time of peace, my ruler died, and his successor ascended the throne. This, of course, was met with initial political unrest, which subsided almost completely before too much time had passed. Then gradually, my vassal loyalty just kept getting worse and worse.
I had a bad reputation, to be sure, but I had not exceeded my demesne size limit, and I had not exceeded the badboy limit either. I was operating under feudal contract law, and the revolts did not seem to have any religious continuity. My ruler was Russian Orthodox, yet my biggest loyalty problems seemed to be in the main Novgorod provinces and in Kiev, while my Norwegian provinces were happy as clams.
Can anyone tell me why this happened? I did try using the gold and byzantine cheats to appease the dissenters for experimental purposes, but the problem was recurring regardless. I suppose the heart of my question is; what factors determine a vassal's loyalty, and what can I do about it?
You need to have a really high diplomacy rating to help keep loyalty up. To do that, you need a competent Chancellor. Also, note that badboy decreases in coordination with your piety. If you have a very low piety, your badboy won't decrease much. If badboy is a REALLY big problem, attack some pagans, win, and then surrender the title you captured (I'm assuming you're playing in DV, otherwise BB really shouldn't be a problem).
One thing that helps out is using the ledger to find someone with hideously high diplomacy to marry one of your dynasts to. Then use the new wife as a Chancellor and voila, problem solved.
I'll also note that nations are generally less-stable in CK than you might expect. Makes the game more intense and fun, when your dukes are constantly revolting. Means that you have to be very careful with who you're working with.
One thing that helps out is using the ledger to find someone with hideously high diplomacy to marry one of your dynasts to. Then use the new wife as a Chancellor and voila, problem solved.
I'll also note that nations are generally less-stable in CK than you might expect. Makes the game more intense and fun, when your dukes are constantly revolting. Means that you have to be very careful with who you're working with.
Awesome, thanks. What is good piety? I hadn't cracked 1000, but I want to say I was in the 700s with my first ruler, and then my successor was around 300. And, what is a good diplomacy score? My second ruler had 16(31), which I thought was pretty good...
I like the historical accuracy of unstable nations, but there were some senseless situations where I would receive back to back events with a vassal being pleased with my wise rule and immediately afterwards, declaring war or independence. Also, it would make more sense to me that vassals that I had granted titles to would be more loyal than those that I had conquered, but instead, the reverse seemed to be true.
I had granted most of the territory I had acquired to my successor, but even though those provinces had been ruled by him for years, they still turned treacherous when he ascended to the throne and thereafter. This bothered me a bit, but I guess I'll focus more on diplomacy and piety next time.
I think I read somewhere on the forums here that the game makes some regions less stable than others. Could that apply to Russian territories, considering their historically fragmented nature?
I like the historical accuracy of unstable nations, but there were some senseless situations where I would receive back to back events with a vassal being pleased with my wise rule and immediately afterwards, declaring war or independence. Also, it would make more sense to me that vassals that I had granted titles to would be more loyal than those that I had conquered, but instead, the reverse seemed to be true.
I had granted most of the territory I had acquired to my successor, but even though those provinces had been ruled by him for years, they still turned treacherous when he ascended to the throne and thereafter. This bothered me a bit, but I guess I'll focus more on diplomacy and piety next time.
I think I read somewhere on the forums here that the game makes some regions less stable than others. Could that apply to Russian territories, considering their historically fragmented nature?
That is quite good. Here's a tip -- hover your mouse over your vassal loyalty, that shows you a breakdown of all the things affecting a vassal's loyalty.Morinauto said:
What do you mean? Provinces themselves have no loyalty rating, every Count has his own individual loyalty rating. This has nothing to do with how new a vassal he is, or how much the people of the County like it when you were in charge.Morinauto said:
Are you talking about stand loyalty? If stands are disloyal you'll have to cut taxes, or build province improvements. Remember income is directly tied to stand loyalty. Tax people too much and your income will go down in the long term.
You can raise tax rates above their default, on some stands, when you have loyalty boosting improvements in all your desmene provinces.
IIRC in early versions of CK Germany and Byzantium had more trouble staying together than the rest of the world, but that's been changed in DV.Morinauto said:
The Mideast and Africa are likely to declare their independence from a far-away liege, but that's not an issue in Russia and Norway.
Nick
Thanks Nick. What I meant by the provinces revolting was, I had granted the titles of most of my conquered territories to my successor, who, in turn, granted those titles to some of his own court when his demesne got too big for him. So what I meant was that the counts who had been his vassals gave him no trouble before he inherited the Principality, but afterwards, they were breaking off right and left.
Thanks for the advice!
Thanks for the advice!
A Count can't have vassals, and a Prince can only have Counts as vassals. Therefore your son must have been a Count, and the new Counts your heir created were direct vassals of your Prince.Morinauto said:
Which means they got a huge loyalty hit when the old Prince died. And Counts who get along the Old Prince don't always get along with the new Prince.
If you made your son a Prince (he'd be independent, and you couldn't grant him any more titles) the most likely suspect is badboy. If the Counts were only moderately loyal (+0.1 loyalty a month), even 1 BB would hurt.
Nick
Yeah, I checked the factors influencing vassal loyalty as I was instructed, and it seems like BB was the biggest culprit. I had an "extremely bad reputation" which could in no way be counteracted by any amount of legislation or tax cuts.
Thanks again for the help; I'm off to conquer Russia, but perhaps a bit more slowly this time!
Thanks again for the help; I'm off to conquer Russia, but perhaps a bit more slowly this time!
Morinauto said:
Once you're done with that, might I suggest trying to make an empire out of, oh, say, Ireland? Keeping that together is indeed a challenge. Fun one, too.
Or some other minor country - it's all good.Attrition issue in DV
In CK when your armies convert themselves in a boat (as they travel over seas) and reduce the army upkeep to 0, the attrition level was very low -I can´t remember if it was 0 or 1.0-.
Now in DV, if you reduce the army upkeep to nothing and your armies are at sea, the attrition level it´s very high -I´m talking about 21.0-.
Why is this happening?
Thanks!
In CK when your armies convert themselves in a boat (as they travel over seas) and reduce the army upkeep to 0, the attrition level was very low -I can´t remember if it was 0 or 1.0-.
Now in DV, if you reduce the army upkeep to nothing and your armies are at sea, the attrition level it´s very high -I´m talking about 21.0-.
Why is this happening?
Thanks!
P-Dox decided that not paying your army while it was at sea was an exploit, so they changed it for DVShakyamuni said:
.Nick
What a bummer, Nick. It spices up the Crusades a little bit, don´t you think?
Anyway, thanks for the tip
Anyway, thanks for the tip
A couple of questions
First: Is there a way to prevent or cure the deceases (small pox, etc)?
Second: How can I Offer Vassalization to a province and then actually accept it?
Thanks!
First: Is there a way to prevent or cure the deceases (small pox, etc)?
Second: How can I Offer Vassalization to a province and then actually accept it?
Thanks!
1. Diseases in provinces can't be prevented, but they will end with an event.
2. Have no idea what you mean here.
2. Have no idea what you mean here.
Sorry. I´ll explain myself a little better.
Everytime I tried to offer vassalization to a county (if I´m, for example, a Duke), they decline to my offer. What do you need to achieve or have so they will not decline to your offer?
Everytime I tried to offer vassalization to a county (if I´m, for example, a Duke), they decline to my offer. What do you need to achieve or have so they will not decline to your offer?
Shakyamuni said:
There is no exact formula for that, but these things seem help
1. Have a high diplomacy-value (ruler+chancellor)
2. Have high prestige
3. Have a honourable reputation
4. Have a common border (so one of your demesne-provinces, directly borders one of his)
5. If the target is at war and losing that war
You have to remember though that you get badboy-points from succeding with a vassalisation-offer. For each province the target holds directly you get 0.75BB. So watch out for who you make an offer to.
When I play as Duke of Gwynedd... often times Count of Glamorgan will request to become my vassel in about 15 years of 1066. I had always wondered if AI rulers could 'sense' if another ruler would go to war with them and they may lose.... in the above example I wonder if the Duke of Deheubarth was about to war Glamorgan.
Is this part of this too Veld?
Drachenfire said:
That the count of Glamorgan will ask the duke of Gwynedd to become his vassal will only happen in DV. And then it is most likely due to the relationship-bug then to something else.
A couple of questions on another subject.
My rulers are dying rapidly (before forty years old approx) and aways seem to be with some illnes. I use the ledger of DV but, should I keep using it?
Province´s conditions (such as "Poor", "Rich", etc), are they an event or am I doing something wrong with the economic sliders?
Thanks!
My rulers are dying rapidly (before forty years old approx) and aways seem to be with some illnes. I use the ledger of DV but, should I keep using it?
Province´s conditions (such as "Poor", "Rich", etc), are they an event or am I doing something wrong with the economic sliders?
Thanks!