Come on PDX, it's not too late. Please add Hagia Sophia to Constantinople

[Mindel]

There's more than 10 days before release. Plenty of time to fix this oversight.

And what happened to the planned Coliseum in Rome that was mentioned in an earlier DD?

 

[manager2525]

Yeah there are plenty of players that don't like to use mods. So even if it is easy to mode i would really like to see Hagia Sophia as a wonder.
I mean i can't thing of a reason NOT to have it???

 

[HandicapdHippo]

They should add it and give us the option to burn it down for people who want to build something else, same as how they added the option to burn down the churches in Rome.

 

[Dragatus]

I too was quite surprised when I saw there was no Hagia Sophia in Constantinople.

 

[Crangiopharengoma]

I would like to see a poll on whether people would rather have the Hagia Sofia or be able to build a wonder of their choice in Constantinople. I understand the rationale behind paradoxes decision but I think they've misjudged the user base's preference.

 

[redtide]

I mean i can't thing of a reason NOT to have it???

It's sort of already in the game as a temple holding in the province of Constantinople. A barony and a temple are both named "Constantinople", but in landed_titles.txt the temple is referred to as b_hagiasophia, and its name changes to "Ayasofya" when held by Turks. Don't get me wrong. I like Hagia Sophia, but I wouldn't want to see it represented twice in the game. Maybe there's a way to tie the wonder to the temple holding.

Spoiler: from landed_titles.txt

           c_byzantion = {
               color={ 180 84 147 }
               color2={ 255 255 20 }
             
               orthodox = 500 # Crusade target weight
               catholic = 250 # Crusade target weight
               muslim = 250 # Crusade target weight
             
               top_de_jure_capital = yes

               holy_site = orthodox
             
               turkish = "Kostantiniyye"
             
               b_constantinople = {
                   turkish = "Kostantiniyye"
               }
               b_hagiasophia = {
                   pentarchy = yes
                   turkish = "Ayasofya"
               }
               b_galata = {
               }
               b_blachernae = {
                   turkish = "Ayvansaray"
               }
               b_hieron = {
                   turkish = "Kadikˆy"
               }
               b_deuteron = {
                   turkish = "Topkapi"
               }
               b_pempton = {
               }
               b_vlanga = {
               }
           }

Spoiler: from 496 - Byzantion.txt

# 496 - Constantinople #Former Byzantion

# County Title
title = c_byzantion

# Settlements
max_settlements = 7
b_constantinople = castle
b_galata = city
b_hagiasophia = temple
b_blachernae = castle
b_hieron = city
b_deuteron = city
b_pempton = city

Spoiler: from text1.csv

b_constantinople;Constantinople;Constantinople;Konstantinopel;;Constantinopla;;;;;;;;;x
b_hagiasophia;Constantinople;Constantinople;Konstantinopel;;Constantinopla;;;;;;;;;x

 

[Byzantium2000]

put another church in its place bam done.

 

[james24eagle]

Agree! Please add it!

 

[Dimension3500]

They just mentioned in their last stream that the Hagia Sophia only became famous after the fall of the Empire, when it was turned into a mosque, and thats the reason why it wont be in game.

Yep.

The VERY image for wonders is the Muslim version. Mark my words, they will only put it into the game if they add Great Wonder conversion, to make a recreation of 1453 possible.

But to give Orthodoxy an unique goodie? We can't have that!

 

[pedrito_elcabra]

They just mentioned in their last stream that the Hagia Sophia only became famous after the fall of the Empire, when it was turned into a mosque, and thats the reason why it wont be in game.

Huh? Wasn't it like the biggest floating dome in the world for centuries, nearly a full milllenia before the empire fell?
Or is that just me imagining things?

 

[Dimension3500]

You're exactly right. Sadly, Paradox handwaved it as "it only became important after the game's end date when it was turned into a mosque".

People are talking about it in te comments as well.

 

[Andrelvis]

There's more than 10 days before release. Plenty of time to fix this oversight.

And what happened to the planned Coliseum in Rome that was mentioned in an earlier DD?

IMO temples should be represented by temple holdings. b_hagia_sophia (which is already in the game) could get special buildings, though, much like how Constantinople has its special wall.

Giving the Hagia Sophia double representation would be a bit weird. I am indeed not so fond of their choice to make fortresses and temples wonders, as they're already very well represented in the game as existing holdings.

 

[Byzantium2000]

They just mentioned in their last stream that the Hagia Sophia only became famous after the fall of the Empire, when it was turned into a mosque, and thats the reason why it wont be in game.

Yep.

The VERY image for wonders is the Muslim version. Mark my words, they will only put it into the game if they add Great Wonder conversion, to make a recreation of 1453 possible.

But to give Orthodoxy an unique goodie? We can't have that!

What the Church was far more important under the Byzantine Empire, this is the building called heaven on earth and helped covert the Bulgarians and the Rus to Christanity. Who thinks of the Muslim version when talking about Hagia Sophia?

 

[Kapitalisti]

Isn't the church holding in Constantinople already called Hagia Sophia?

 

[SigurdStormhand]

I made the point in the Dev Diary that the whole City of Constantinople is really a Wonder given it contained so many things not present anywhere else in the world at the time.

If the Developers are saying Hagia Sofia was not important during the medieval period then I think they're confusing its status as one of the great centres of Christian worship with its later status as a cause celebre among Christians after its capture.

 

[klopkr]

Isn't the church holding in Constantinople already called Hagia Sophia?

Just name it something else. That's obviously not what people want here.

 

[Dragatus]

The temple holding is called b_hagiasophia in the game files, but in-game it appears as "the bishopric of Constantinople". While it may well have been intended to represent the Hagia Sophia early on in the game's lifetime, you see no indication of it when you play the game now.

 

[Federalist girl]

The temple holding is called b_hagiasophia in the game files, but in-game it appears as "the bishopric of Constantinople". While it may well have been intended to represent the Hagia Sophia early on in the game's lifetime, you see no indication of it when you play the game now.

b_hagiasophia was renamed to "Constantinople" shortly after the release of Legacy of Rome, because otherwise the Pentarchy screen would show "Hagia Sophia" instead of the Patriarch of Constantinople as the primus inter pares of the Orthodox Church. Similarly, the core Greek and Anatolian lands of the ERE were showing "Hagia Sophia" as the Pentarch instead of "Constantinople" in the religious map mode prior to the renaming.

So yeah, it hasn't been called "Hagia Sophia" in-game since late 2012, whenever the post-DLC patches for LoR came out.

 

[Andrelvis]

b_hagiasophia was renamed to "Constantinople" shortly after the release of Legacy of Rome, because otherwise the Pentarchy screen would show "Hagia Sophia" instead of the Patriarch of Constantinople as the primus inter pares of the Orthodox Church. Similarly, the core Greek and Anatolian lands of the ERE were showing "Hagia Sophia" as the Pentarch instead of "Constantinople" prior to the renaming.

That's a strange fix. I wonder why they just didn't make the province name be shown there, as occurs with holy sites.

 

[Federalist girl]

That's a strange fix. I wonder why they just didn't make the province name be shown there, as occurs with holy sites.

That was a later change, too. Holy sites used to just show the name of the temple holding they were associated with, which made them very difficult to find.