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So I've been playing as the Fatimids in my first try as Muslim, and I've reached the point where it seems I just can't make my sons non-decadent. Is the only option really assassination? Because imprisoning your sons will lead to ridiculously massive tyranny and granting them lands doesn't seem to do much (I even made my heir into the sultan of Sicily seated in Rome, with a lot of holdings, and he still produced 0.05%). My personal demesne is hardly big (8/12), and a reduction of it won't remove the decadence completely anyway. I can keep it down by the non-stop holy wars, but it's really annoying. My first two rulers could handle it by giving away lands, but the third one ran into the same problem, so I systematically imprisoned everyone in the realm and redistributed the lands when he got old. Now I'm on the fourth ruler, the sons start coming of age and there simply seems to be no way to stop decadence. Is there just a point where the realm is simply way too big? I get like 8.5x multiplier penalty to decadence for realm size...

And second question from the same game: I holy warred the hell out of the pope to give my heir some lands (futile endeavor), but now when he declared a crusade for France, the pope has no holdings anywhere. None at all. Meaning I can't defeat him in the usual manner. Assassinating him doesn't do anything, so I suppose I just have to endure endless HRE swarms until the pope gets bored?

Thanks for any advice you might have on the matter.
 

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What is already true for Christian rulers becomes even more imperative for Islamic rulers:

Never EVER! give out land to your family. They will marry, they will have sons, they will produce Decadence.

Get yourself two sons, if possible with the genius or quick trait and kill the rest. Educate those two as good as possible, to use them a council member and imprison your brother, when you get a new ruler.