• We have updated our Community Code of Conduct. Please read through the new rules for the forum that are an integral part of Paradox Interactive’s User Agreement.

Akasi

Sergeant
2 Badges
Dec 15, 2016
97
0
  • Magicka 2
  • Crusader Kings II
How does it function Mass Assault doctrine like Vast Offensives, it gives me -0,4 combat width. Can someone explain how it works? Is this kind of thing that you can go with 24 combat width instead of 20?
 

Kaosium

Captain
34 Badges
Nov 7, 2015
497
146
  • For the Motherland
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Hearts of Iron III: Their Finest Hour
  • Hearts of Iron III Collection
  • Victoria: Revolutions
  • Semper Fi
  • Victoria 2: A House Divided
  • Victoria 2: Heart of Darkness
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Death or Dishonor
  • Europa Universalis IV: Cossacks
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Expansion Pass
  • Europa Universalis IV: Dharma
  • Europa Universalis IV: Golden Century
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Expansion Pass
  • Hearts of Iron IV: La Resistance
  • Crusader Kings III
  • Crusader Kings III: Royal Edition
  • Battle for Bosporus
  • Europa Universalis 4: Emperor
  • Hearts of Iron IV: By Blood Alone
  • Hearts of Iron IV: No Step Back
  • Europa Universalis IV: Third Rome
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Together for Victory
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mare Nostrum
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Europa Universalis IV: Common Sense
  • Europa Universalis IV: El Dorado
  • Victoria 2
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Europa Universalis IV: Call to arms event
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
How does it function Mass Assault doctrine like Vast Offensives, it gives me -0,4 combat width. Can someone explain how it works? Is this kind of thing that you can go with 24 combat width instead of 20?

Your infantry takes up 1.6 instead of 2.0. That's only infantry and other foot-sloggers like Marines and Mountaineers etc. Thus 12xINF would take up about 20 width, (19.2) as would 10xINF/2xMTN, but 10xINF/2xART would be 22.
 

Dalnar

Colonel
28 Badges
Apr 18, 2016
868
812
  • Stellaris - Path to Destruction bundle
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Expansion Pass
  • Hearts of Iron IV: No Step Back
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Hearts of Iron IV: By Blood Alone
  • Stellaris: Nemesis
  • Battle for Bosporus
  • Imperator: Rome - Magna Graecia
  • Stellaris: Federations
  • Hearts of Iron IV: La Resistance
  • Imperator: Rome Sign Up
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Expansion Pass
  • Imperator: Rome
  • Imperator: Rome Deluxe Edition
  • Stellaris: Megacorp
  • Stellaris: Apocalypse
  • Stellaris: Synthetic Dawn
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Death or Dishonor
  • Steel Division: Normandy 44 Deluxe Edition
  • Steel Division: Normandy 44
  • Stellaris: Leviathans Story Pack
  • Stellaris: Digital Anniversary Edition
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Field Marshal
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Colonel
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • Hearts of Iron IV Sign-up
  • Stellaris
  • Pillars of Eternity
It basically allows you to put more IINF regiments to a division of the same width. When playing soviets, my favourite division is 26,6 width 11INF+3ART, 26,6*3 = +-80
 

KalZakath

Dread Emperor of all Mallorea
27 Badges
Oct 14, 2005
763
272
  • Europa Universalis IV: Common Sense
  • Battle for Bosporus
  • Hearts of Iron IV: La Resistance
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Expansion Pass
  • Europa Universalis IV: Rule Britannia
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Expansion Pass
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Death or Dishonor
  • Europa Universalis IV: Third Rome
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Field Marshal
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Colonel
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • Hearts of Iron IV Sign-up
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mare Nostrum
  • Europa Universalis IV: Cossacks
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Europa Universalis IV: El Dorado
  • 500k Club
  • Semper Fi
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Hearts of Iron III: Their Finest Hour
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • For the Motherland
  • Europa Universalis IV: Call to arms event
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
  • Europa Universalis IV
Think of it this way too - though it's a meat grinder because it's INF on INF warfare....

You have your standard 20-width division (10x INF).

The standard width for attacks one province on one province is 80.

Your standard 20-width infantry division (10xINF) can have 4 divisions attacking without penalty - that's 4 targets, each target getting 10 INF attack.
Those same divisions, under the Mass Assault Doctrine, can get 5 divisions attacking without penalty (16*5=80). That's 5 targets, each getting 10 INF attack.
Add an extra province attacking, that adds 40 combat width. Your standard 20-width infantry division now can get 6 divisions attacking without penalty - that's 6 targets, each getting 10 INF attack
With the Mass Assault Doctrine, you can now attack with 7 divisions without penalty, with an 8th being at 50% - forgetting where the cutoff is where it won't allow you to bring another unit into the battle, but at worst, that's 7 targets (still one more than otherwise) and possibly 8 targets. You'll be able to break the enemy faster with the extra (though pure inf are probably the last unit I'd want to be throwing into attacks if I can avoid it)


If you go up to 24 width (12xINF), that's the 19.2 width, and you gain 2 extra INF per division - so attacking on an 80 width front, that's 4x12=48 infantry brigades attacking 4 targets.
 

Quantum_AI

Supreme Commander
107 Badges
Jul 19, 2003
1.047
1.182
  • Victoria 3 Sign Up
  • Hearts of Iron IV: By Blood Alone
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Field Marshal
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Colonel
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • Hearts of Iron IV Sign-up
  • Imperator: Rome Deluxe Edition
  • Imperator: Rome
  • Crusader Kings III
  • Victoria 2
  • Victoria 2: Heart of Darkness
  • Victoria 2: A House Divided
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Stellaris
  • Steel Division: Normandy 44 Deluxe Edition
  • Steel Division: Normandy 44
  • Surviving Mars: Digital Deluxe Edition
  • Surviving Mars
  • Surviving Mars: First Colony Edition
  • Surviving Mars: First Colony Edition
  • Cities: Skylines Deluxe Edition
  • Cities: Skylines
  • Victoria: Revolutions
  • Europa Universalis III: Chronicles
  • Hearts of Iron II: Armageddon
  • Crusader Kings Complete
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Darkest Hour
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Europa Universalis IV: Pre-order
  • Europa Universalis IV: Call to arms event
  • Prison Architect
  • Rome Gold
  • Arsenal of Democracy
  • March of the Eagles
  • Semper Fi
  • Stellaris - Path to Destruction bundle
  • Empire of Sin
  • Cities: Skylines - Natural Disasters
  • Stellaris: Leviathans Story Pack
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Death or Dishonor
  • Europa Universalis IV: Rights of Man
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mare Nostrum
  • Hearts of Iron IV: La Resistance
  • Imperator: Rome Sign Up
  • Stellaris: Megacorp
  • Hearts of Iron IV: No Step Back
It basically allows you to put more IINF regiments to a division of the same width. When playing soviets, my favourite division is 26,6 width 11INF+3ART, 26,6*3 = +-80

I don't think that's going to be viable in this patch. ART is less useful now and you need HTDs against the Germans.