Colonozing from the baltic sea

[unmerged(90623)]

Colonizing from the baltic sea

Hi, long time lurker and now poster

I have played alot of EU3 and some EU2, and now upgraded to NA 2.1 and:

How do I colonize as Denmark or any other country not in the south or east of Europe?

England usually beats me to Greenland and Newfoundland and everything else is outta reach. Even getting a province in Ireland isn't enough to reach for Bermuda or something where England hasn't got to yet.

What do people do; warning Marocco, Mali and every Indian tribe and hope to capture a beachhead far into "colonizing land", wait to mege with Norway to expand the reach, conquering an southeast european province (Navarra, Sicily, ...)?

A little help will be much appreciated

 

[Wizzington]

DoW norway, steal their colonies on Iceland. From Iceland you will have range to a good slice of Canada.

If England still beats you to all of Canada in reach, there's always the good old trick of attacking Portugal, taking the Azores, and then simply sitting on them with an army until Portugal's war exhaustion gets so high that they sign it over to you just to stop being at war. Also known as the "how to colonize as the Ottomans" strategy. If you wait with declaring until your fleet is right next to the Azores you don't even have to worry about the portugese navy.

 

[Grosshaus]

IIIRC Iceland is closer to Bermuda than Ireland. Denmark should be in a good position to diplo-annex Norway and get Iceland.

Also note that those British colonies are not eternal. Spot some with more active natives, get them to destroy the colony and be ready to instantly send your first colonist as replacements.

A sneaky player might ally with Britain when they have no troops but unfinished colonies in provinces you can colonise with land connection to natives of your choice. Ally with Britain and DoW those natives, who might burn some English colonies.

 

[Shiggs]

Another way to do this is simply send an army and attack the indians... After you take some of their lands, those provinces will count as yours, and then you can send colonist just about anywhere in america.... in NA 2.1 you can't colonize inland without having an adjacent developed city, unlike 1.3

 

[comagoosie]

Another way to do this is simply send an army and attack the indians... After you take some of their lands, those provinces will count as yours, and then you can send colonist just about anywhere in america.... in NA 2.1 you can't colonize inland without having an adjacent developed city, unlike 1.3

yup, be the big old mean danish and take those lands in efforts of making the americas yours.

 

[spl]

I'm with shiggs, move your army over there by using military access from England and Portugal. Land in North America and take either a province in Mexico or from Creek, then you can colonize the entire Caribbean and much more.

 

[Scippio]

That is exactly what I did as Brandeburg, I to recieved military acess from portuagal, sent an army to Portugal contoled Florida, DoW'd Zaptoec, took one province, built it up to a town, and began colonizing throughout the carribbean.

 

[unmerged(90623)]

I'm primarily playing to get used to NA and trying out things before starting the grand game, hopefully with an AAR to you guys

Ok, warning every indian and african tribe, gave me a war vs. Benin, Mail and Oyo and I annexed Benin and was able to colonize in Africa.

North America is still closed land as I can't annex Norway, because I lack the Royal Marriage, which I can't get, as they are junior member in a PU (mine in fact).

Is it worth the -2 stab hit to just attack some indians without the CB or do I wait 'till one off the warnings kick in or do I get the National idea that let me attack non-believers?

 

[kierun]

As Brandeburg, I asked and got military access from Portugal. Build a fleet of transports and moved my 13 unites to the Azores then onto Jamaica. From there, I declared war on the Aztec Empire. I moved my troupes onto the continent and introduced the Aztec to cannon, steel and the German war machine. After that, I had a port (well, several) taken from them to expend and colonise.

 

[Shiggs]

I'm primarily playing to get used to NA and trying out things before starting the grand game, hopefully with an AAR to you guys

Ok, warning every indian and african tribe, gave me a war vs. Benin, Mail and Oyo and I annexed Benin and was able to colonize in Africa.

North America is still closed land as I can't annex Norway, because I lack the Royal Marriage, which I can't get, as they are junior member in a PU (mine in fact).

Is it worth the -2 stab hit to just attack some indians without the CB or do I wait 'till one off the warnings kick in or do I get the National idea that let me attack non-believers?

It depends much on which faction your playing as.... Once, I did this with Hamburg (yes the tiny 1 province faction), the stability was of no concern to me, since I regained the 2 stab in like 5 months anyways. I ended up declaring war on creek and cherokee, took nearly all their lands, and ended up being rather bored, having conquered the new world with Hamburg before 1540. It was great though.

 

[unmerged(90623)]

OK. Denmark is a little larger than Hamburg, especially after starting in a war vs Sweden

But I should be able to take the -2 stab hit to get a colonial brigdehead near the Caribbean.

I won't conqure North America, as I will focus on rebuilding the Kalmar Union and expandig to become THE Baltic Empire.

 

[Shiggs]

so are you just doing it to try and gain an edge on your neighbors? Not sure why you would go to the trouble of going to the new world and pawning the indians, if you didn't want to take some gold mines and at least carve a small chunk of it out for yourself. I think its really worth it in the long run, even if (just for example) you pawn Creek, and take a little section of southeast North America (sounds funny)

I'd say if your stability is already at +2 or greater, go for it... also maybe try to find a good stability advisor.