Any way to combat this? Makes playing a small nation with lots of colonies really hard. Colonies never help you on mainland Europe so when say, Cuba declares war on French Florida you just get utterly destroyed. Playing as the Hansa.
Colonies declaring war on other colonies causing me to auto join
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1. Don't make colonies ?
2. Do YOU help them on their colonial war ? I mean if you don't why would you expect help from them. They are more or less (the way they are implemented) different countries than your own, so they pretty much account for their interests only.
2. Do YOU help them on their colonial war ? I mean if you don't why would you expect help from them. They are more or less (the way they are implemented) different countries than your own, so they pretty much account for their interests only.
What? Nations always assume you will help in wars. Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't, depends if it is in your interests but most AI isn't programmed in this way. Even if I play as England and declare war on Malacca my vassals will send troops to help me, but for some reason colonial nations are different despite the fact they act in the same way in almost all other capacities (give you forcelimits, even give trade power that vassals don't + naval force limits). If they won't help you with wars they shouldn't join them, makes no sense for an AI not to come when they can.
They will help, but only in the new world. If you DoW France your CNs will attack their CNs/colonies. This is WAD.
If you DoW some random minor without colonies, they will do nothing... until e.g. Castile gets called in as an ally. So they have to be part of the war regardless.
I could see how it could be a pain, but once your large enough you can abuse the "Enforce Peace" when your colony declares on, or they get declared on, by another colony. It's a fantastic way to bypass Coalitions. You could enforce peace over in the Americas and just absolutely wreck the overlord who is in a coalition against you that you would otherwise not want to fight all at once.
But yeah, colonies as a whole are not as worth it as they once were. They auto-rebel after a certain time, declare wars without your input, etc.
But yeah, colonies as a whole are not as worth it as they once were. They auto-rebel after a certain time, declare wars without your input, etc.
They are a double edge sword. They can be great for bypassing coalitions, and getting that extra cash in the early period. But if you are a small nation then they can be a pain in the backside DoW on other colonies.
It wouldn't be too much of a problem if these Wars were confined to the Colonies, but they spill over into the old world and thats where you get torn a new one.
It wouldn't be too much of a problem if these Wars were confined to the Colonies, but they spill over into the old world and thats where you get torn a new one.
If the defender's overlord enforces peace and your colony doesn't accept, the war goes wide to the two overlords. The best way to avoid it is to prevent any other country from creating colonies in that colonial region. Try to swarm the atlantic ports of whatever CN you're forming and you will be set for a while.
The caribbean is the worst. Strong army nations dec strong navy nations and the resulting war is a slow moving car crash.
I would really like more autonomous vassals. Protectorates and Colonial Nations are fun that way. They get into their own thing, and you can help them economically. I funded the thirteen colonies (as france) against castilian canada and then funded england against spain, enjoying them both devastating their fleets and wasting MP on the war. I nicked provinces off their allies as the war dragged on and they weren't willing to accept the call to arms. Meanwhile strategic trade bonuses flowed to bordeaux.
The caribbean is the worst. Strong army nations dec strong navy nations and the resulting war is a slow moving car crash.
I would really like more autonomous vassals. Protectorates and Colonial Nations are fun that way. They get into their own thing, and you can help them economically. I funded the thirteen colonies (as france) against castilian canada and then funded england against spain, enjoying them both devastating their fleets and wasting MP on the war. I nicked provinces off their allies as the war dragged on and they weren't willing to accept the call to arms. Meanwhile strategic trade bonuses flowed to bordeaux.
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Is enforce peace the only mechanic? I swear sometimes I've been called in even when my colony was losing although I could be remembering wrong. Do colonies have a call to arms on me?
Enforce peace with colonies works whether winning or losing, and when it is done the other mother country is pulled in as well.
If the enemy colonial nation's overlord enforces peace on your colonial nation and they refuse, you get called in.
EDIT: Sorta ninjad?
I like the way colonial nations function, compared to previout iterations of this game and its predecessors.
But I do find that as a colonial overlord you get called into wars all the time, which is a huge pain. I wish this could be addressed at some point
But I do find that as a colonial overlord you get called into wars all the time, which is a huge pain. I wish this could be addressed at some point
I think when they fix the naval force limits from colonial nations it won't be worth it any more. Even now it's arguable whether it's worth it to be honest. I just find it such a management game controlling them, I think I won't bother. The money from the new world isn't even that great anyho, you can make more than enough directing Asian trade.