What's the best strategy for a colonial nation to pursue in 1.5. Is it better to form colonial nations quickly or avoid them as long as possible? Are protectorates worth while? What seems to be working and what's best to avoid?
Colonial Strategy in 1.5
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From what I understand it's best to make colonial nations and never increase your tariffs on them until they're financially capable of growing on their own. They may not colonize straight away but they might war natives and convert for you. In terms of maximum expansion, it's better to set up as many colonial nations as you can before trying to help them grow by using your own colonists near them.
Differing goals have differing strategies though. I got my Turning the Table achievement by making a super-large Portuguese Brazil before anything else.
Different people have differing opinions on protectorates, but I believe that since Native American nations are so cheap to conquer and core, you're better off just annexing them.
Differing goals have differing strategies though. I got my Turning the Table achievement by making a super-large Portuguese Brazil before anything else.
Different people have differing opinions on protectorates, but I believe that since Native American nations are so cheap to conquer and core, you're better off just annexing them.
Do you get more income from 4 colonies/provinces or from a newly minted colonial nation?
More from the colonial nation as they keep colonizing. I'm getting over 100 gold from them in tariffs.
Is it worth building a dew basic buildings like constables/temples to jump start the CNs?
CNs only colonize if they pick an idea group which grants colonists, which will depend on your nation's default ideas.
This. If you're playing an unconventional colonial power, don't expect your colonial nations to colonise anything themselves, and feel free to raise tariffs on them early on. The main problem with raising tariffs, especially on smaller CNs, is how many admin points it costs for such a small amount of money.
As a colonial power like Portugal, Castile, England does it make sense to jump start the CNs by building basic buildings before releasing them (building fifth colony) or is that not worth the cost. What's the quickest ways to get the CNs going with building colonies, again for a colonial power.
It's all about colonizing as soon as possible, during the early game everything is up for grabs, but by the late 1500's most of Europe will have colonial access to the New World, Africa and Asia. Then this brings us to the issue of where to colonize, your colonies in Africa and Asia will remain under your direct control, so if you're looking to add to a sprawling empire, I would suggest investing more here. Now although the New World's colonial nation's aren't under your direct control, this becomes more of a blessing later in the game. Once you have two or three colonial nations set up (with their own armies and economies all set up) you declare war on pretty much any tribal nation besides the Inca and just watch it bet absorbed into your empire. There's not really any easier or harder choice, it all comes down to if you want to have a stake in that part of the world and if you're willing to maintain it.
Don't forget that if you conquer natives you won't need to core the provinces, it just would be a waste of ADM points.
Yes, you do. Colonial nations now only form if you have 5 cores, so if you need those territories to form the colonial nation, you need to core them. Which is problematic in places like Mexico.
As a colonial Ming, I conquered the Aztecs, and then released them as a vassal, which I then had to re-integrate into my empire, and it then formed a colonial nation. Worked out pretty well, all things considered, even if it was a bit tedious. I don't think that will work if you're a Westernized nation, however.
Still there is a way. You only need 5 cores in one colonial region before your CN gets cores on all the territorries.
In theory you can conquer all the native in the liousiana region, Live in >200% OE hell for a moment and only core five of the conquered territorries. Result after coring five provinces: CN Liousiana forms with cores on all territorries.
In theory you can conquer all the native in the liousiana region, Live in >200% OE hell for a moment and only core five of the conquered territorries. Result after coring five provinces: CN Liousiana forms with cores on all territorries.
Even better wait until the first 5 are almost cored and then annex a bunch of natives.
Has anyone done the numbers for return in investment? I created a CN in the rich Manhattan area (1.5 Beta). I'm playing Netherlands and my estimates for one case:
Expenses: 4 gold/month (colonists) * 60 months = 240 gold * 5 provinces = 1200 gold total spent
I annexed a rich Native province for it so it's 6 provinces now, CN cored it. I spent 50 ADM points on tariffs.
I'm getting 2.2 gold per month in Tariffs so 1200/2.2 = 545 months = 45 years
However, the weird thing is that I have a merchant and 3 ships there and I collect 5.43/month - more than the CN collects. Even though my trade power is much less than the CN I make base income from trade. Anyone know how that works?
Expenses: 4 gold/month (colonists) * 60 months = 240 gold * 5 provinces = 1200 gold total spent
I annexed a rich Native province for it so it's 6 provinces now, CN cored it. I spent 50 ADM points on tariffs.
I'm getting 2.2 gold per month in Tariffs so 1200/2.2 = 545 months = 45 years
However, the weird thing is that I have a merchant and 3 ships there and I collect 5.43/month - more than the CN collects. Even though my trade power is much less than the CN I make base income from trade. Anyone know how that works?
You get half of the CN's trade power, though it doesn't seem to show on the pie charts on the trade node interface.
Ok, was that added later on? I remember when they first came out only Protectorates added Trade Power.