Colonial Events

unmerged(1385) · Apr 14, 2006

De-VILLARS said:
@ Yoda : is it possible to decide where a general arrive ?

Yes it is possible to add the line :
location = XXX

But to be valid, you need a naval unit or army in the province otherwise the leader will be locate in a random province.

De-VILLARS said:
hello

FLA ?

Hello

FLA = Flanderns

sabular · Apr 14, 2006

De-VILLARS said:
hello

FLA ?

I once played a game as Flanders (released them as Burgundy and reloaded). Imagine my surprise when I got a movement 6 (same as columbus and magelan) explorer. This is a bit OT, but I think the Flanders leaderfile should be seriously reexamined.

unmerged(1385) · Apr 14, 2006

sabular said:
I once played a game as Flanders (released them as Burgundy and reloaded). Imagine my surprise when I got a movement 6 (same as columbus and magelan) explorer. This is a bit OT, but I think the Flanders leaderfile should be seriously reexamined.

Most of their leaders have a date after the apparition of the Netherlands, so they are a bit "fantasy".

Semi-Lobster · Apr 14, 2006

BTW do any of you guys know much about Spanish colonial history, I know a bit I'll probably need some help on it.

So for the The Fall of Huronia event. The problem with this event is while it's VERY important, it requires a better Iroquois AI. After the arrival of the Duth the Iroquois AI should change into an agressive, colonist and expansionist state to represent the Iroquois Confederacy's rapid spread of power by annihilating neighbouring tribes and repopulating the area with Iroquois to gain dominance in the fur trade.

The event should fire at random if the Iroquois capture the Huron capital. When it fires the Huron get a Fall of Huronia event and can either choose to keep fighting or choose the historical option of fleeing to the French, this should boost the population of Stadacone and Hochelega and France get's the northern part of the Huron while the Iroquois get the southern half (err... I actually play AGCEEP so I don't remember if the Iroquois have the same culture or not, it should change to Iroquois though if it isn't the same culture)

De-VILLARS · Apr 14, 2006

BTW do any of you guys know much about Spanish colonial history, I know a bit I'll probably need some help on it.

i can help you a bit

So for the The Fall of Huronia event. The problem with this event is while it's VERY important, it requires a better Iroquois AI. After the arrival of the Duth the Iroquois AI should change into an agressive, colonist and expansionist state to represent the Iroquois Confederacy's rapid spread of power by annihilating neighbouring tribes and repopulating the area with Iroquois to gain dominance in the fur trade.

i agree but it's complicated to see the results of all these modifications for the situation in north america

The event should fire at random if the Iroquois capture the Huron capital. When it fires the Huron get a Fall of Huronia event and can either choose to keep fighting or choose the historical option of fleeing to the French, this should boost the population of Stadacone and Hochelega and France get's the northern part of the Huron while the Iroquois get the southern half (err... I actually play AGCEEP so I don't remember if the Iroquois have the same culture or not, it should change to Iroquois though if it isn't the same culture)

for the culture i don't know

Semi-Lobster · Apr 14, 2006

De-VILLARS said:
i can help you a bit

Thanks

i agree but it's complicated to see the results of all these modifications for the situation in north america

I'm not good with modifyign AI files, the only thing I've ever done with them is stopping England from ahistorical colonisation of Acadia... that reminds me, we should work on the French AI colonisation pattern so it colonised the areas where it's supposed to.

unmerged(38930) · Apr 14, 2006

Aegnor said:
For information, the number of explorer and conquistador per country :

Code:

Country Nb SPA 37 POR 31 RUS 23 HOL 21 FRA 19 ENG 18 FLA 13 DAN 3 USA 3 WLS 2 ARG 2 CHI 2 KUR 2 POL 2 MOS 1 OHI 1 SWE 1 TUR 1 ANN 1

This number is relative because of the duration of each explorer or conquistador and the time when they come (in 1440 you can't discover as much as in 1750)

FLA + HOL = 34

It semms very important when ENG = 18 only

unmerged(38930) · Apr 14, 2006

Aegnor said:
Yes it is possible to add the line :
location = XXX

But to be valid, you need a naval unit or army in the province otherwise the leader will be locate in a random province.

Didn't they arrive with 500 soldiers or 3 boats ?

unmerged(1385) · Apr 14, 2006

Midomar said:
Didn't they arrive with 500 soldiers or 3 boats ?

Not if you specify a province there is already an army.
Otherwise, they arrive with 1000 infanteries or 3 warships.

unmerged(40707) · Apr 14, 2006

And for explorers, province must have a port. Obvious but...

unmerged(38930) · Apr 14, 2006

Aegnor said:
Not if you specify a province there is already an army.
Otherwise, they arrive with 1000 infanteries or 3 warships.

So it's better to give them some soldiers or boats in the same province.

1000 infanteries or 500 cavaleries, isn't ?

unmerged(1385) · Apr 14, 2006

Midomar said:
So it's better to give them some soldiers or boats in the same province.

1000 infanteries or 500 cavaleries, isn't ?

At least 1000, otherwise it will not work.

Semi-Lobster · Apr 14, 2006

Hey, would any of you happen to know of a Norman slave trader named Thomas Aubert? In 1508 and sailed up the St. Lawrence River to be the first recorded to discover Quebec, and returned with native slaves apparently. And deos anybody know about the founding of Baie de Vieux Fort on Newfoundland established in 1504 by French Basques, Bretons and Normans?

This site looks very interesting

http://www.telusplanet.net/public/dgarneau/french.htm

And should we call Giovanni da Verrazano 'Jean Verazan'? The Spanish have Columbus as Cristóbal Colón. Of course now we call da Verrazano by his Italian name but wouldn't keeping it be anachronistic given that at the time, translating names was very common?

De-VILLARS · Apr 14, 2006

And should we call Giovanni da Verrazano 'Jean Verazan'? The Spanish have Columbus as Cristóbal Colón. Of course now we call da Verrazano by his Italian name but wouldn't keeping it be anachronistic given that at the time, translating names was very common?

i think we schould call him Giovanni ! in all the books of history in french i have seen the name in italian

that reminds me, we should work on the French AI colonisation pattern so it colonised the areas where it's supposed to.

i don't know how to (?) work with the AI files but i'm ready to help you on the historical areas of french colonisation

De-VILLARS · Apr 15, 2006

Code:

#-----------------------------
#Radisson and des Groseilliers
event = {
	id = 170062
	random = no
	country = FRA
	name = "EVENTNAME170062" #Radisson and des Groseilliers
	desc = "EVENTHIST170062"
	#-#

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1660 }
	offset = 30
	deathdate = { day = 28 month = december year = 1662 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME170062A" #Confiscate the furs!
		command = { type = treasury value = 100 }
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 049915 } #Radisson (FRA)
		command = { type = sleepleader which = 049916 } #des Groseillers (FRA)
		command = { type = land value = 100 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME170062B" #Let them keep their furs...
		command = { type = treasury value = -100 }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 164032 } #ENG: Radisson and des Groseilliers Offer their Services to England
	}
}

#The Return of Radisson and des Groseilliers
event = {
	id = 170063
	random = no
	country = FRA
	name = "EVENTNAME17063" #The Return of Radisson and des Groseilliers
	desc = "EVENTHIST17063"
	#-#

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1674 }
	offset = 30
	deathdate = { day = 28 month = december year = 1676 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME170063A" #Welcome them back!
		command = { type = treasury value = -100 }
		command = { type = leader which = 049915 } #Radisson (FRA)
		command = { type = leader which = 049916  } #des Groseilliers (FRA)
		command = { type = relation which = ENG value = -50 }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 164033 } #ENG: Radisson returned to the service of the Hudson Bay Company
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 164034 } #ENG: Radisson and des Groseilliers Return to the Hudson Bay Company
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME170063B" #Let them come back but continue to treat them poorly
		command = { type = treasury value = -50 }
		command = { type = leader which =  049916 } #des Groseilliers (FRA)
		command = { type = land value = 50 }
		command = { type = relation which = ENG value = -25 }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 164034 } #ENG: Radisson and des Groseilliers Return to the Hudson Bay Company
	}
	action_c = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME170063C" #Bah!
		command = { type = land value = 100 }
		command = { type = relation which = ENG value = 50 }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 164033 } #ENG: Radisson returned to the service of the Hudson Bay Company
	}
}
#-----------------------------


#-------------------------------------------------------------
#Radisson and des Groseilliers Offer their Services to England
event = {
	id = 164032
	random = no
	country = ENG
	name = "EVENTNAME164032" #Radisson and des Groseilliers Offer their Services to England
	desc = "EVENTHIST164032"
	#-#

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1665 }
	offset = 30
	deathdate = { day = 28 month = december year = 1668 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME164032A" #Welcome!
		command = { type = leader which = 046348 } #Radisson (ENG)
		command = { type = leader which = 046396 } #des Groseilliers (ENG)
		command = { type = treasury value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = FRA value = -50 }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 170063 } #FRA: The Return of Radisson and des Groseilliers
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME164032B" #They can't be trusted!
		command = { type = land value = 100 }
		command = { type = relation which = FRA value = 50 }
	}
}

#Radisson returned to the service of the Hudson Bay Company
event = {
	id = 164033
	random = no
	country = ENG
	name = "EVENTNAME164033" #Radisson returned to the service of the Hudson Bay Company
	desc = "EVENTHIST164033"
	#-#

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1684 }
	offset = 30
	deathdate = { day = 28 month = december year = 1686 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME164033A" # Welcome!
		command = { type = treasury value = -50 }
		command = { type = leader which = 046348 } #Radisson (ENG)
		command = { type = relation which = FRA value = -25 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME164021B" #He can't be trusted!
		command = { type = land value = 50 }
		command = { type = relation which = FRA value = 25 }
	}
}

#Radisson and Des Groseilliers Return to the Hudson Bay Company
event = {
	id = 164034
	random = no
	country = ENG
	name = "EVENTNAME164034" #Radisson and des Groseilliers Return to the Hudson Bay Company
	desc = "EVENTHIST164034"
	#-#

	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1684 }
	offset = 30
	deathdate = { day = 28 month = december year = 1684 }

	action_a = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME164034A" #Welcome!
		command = { type = treasury value = -100 }
		command = { type = leader which = 046396 } #des Groseilliers (ENG)
		command = { type = leader which = 046348 } #Radisson (ENG)
		command = { type = relation which = FRA value = -50 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME164034B" #We have the money only for one
		command = { type = treasury value = -50 }
		command = { type = land value = 50 }
		command = { type = leader which = 046348 } #Radisson (ENG)
		command = { type = relation which = FRA value = -25 }
	}
	action_c = {
		name = "ACTIONNAME164034C" #They can't be trusted!
		command = { type = land value = 100 }
		command = { type = relation which = FRA value = 50 }
	}
}

EVENTNAME170062;Radisson and des Groseilliers;;;;;;;;;;
EVENTHIST170062;Pierre-Esprit Radisson (1640 – 1710) and his brother-in-law Médard des Groseilliers (1618 – 1696) were two French fur trappers and explorers. After coming to the New World from France both Pierre and Médard quickly adapted to the life of the coureur des bois (runner of the woods), the trappers and fur traders in the Canadian wilderness. They both learned the language of the natives and were very successful in the fur trade. In 1660 after returning to Québec from the wilds with their furs; their hard earned gains where confiscated from them by the authorities, as the brothers did not have a licence.;;;;;;;;;;
ACTIONNAME170062A;Confiscate the furs!;;;;;;;;;;
ACTIONNAME170062B;Let them keep their furs...;;;;;;;;;;

EVENTNAME170063;The Return of Radisson and des Groseilliers;;;;;;;;;;
EVENTHIST170063;In 1674, Radisson and des Groseilliers, dissatisfied of their treatment by the Hudson Bay Company, were convinced by the Jesuit Charles Albanel to return to France.;;;;;;;;;;
ACTIONNAME170063A;Welcome them back!;;;;;;;;;;
ACTIONNAME170063B;Let them come back but continue to treat them poorly;;;;;;;;;;
ACTIONNAME170063C;Bah!;;;;;;;;;;

EVENTNAME164032;Radisson and des Groseilliers Offer their Services to England;;;;;;;;;;
EVENTHIST164032;Unhappy with their treatment by the officials of New France, Radisson and des Groseilliers arrived in New England and offered their services to the English colonel George Cartwright who took them to England and submitted them to the court of King Charles II. In June 1668, they finally left England, sailing into Hudson Bay from the north.;;;;;;;;;;
ACTIONNAME164032A;Welcome!;;;;;;;;;;
ACTIONNAME164032B;They can't be trusted!;;;;;;;;;;

EVENTNAME164033;Radisson returned to the service of the Hudson Bay Company;;;;;;;;;;
EVENTHIST164033;Always frustrated by the French, Radisson returned to the service of the Hudson Bay Company.;;;;;;;;;;
ACTIONNAME164033A;Welcome!;;;;;;;;;;
ACTIONNAME164033B;He can't be trusted!;;;;;;;;;;

EVENTNAME164034;Radisson and des Groseilliers Return to the Hudson Bay Company;;;;;;;;;;
EVENTHIST164034;Turned away by the French authorities Radisson and des Groseilliers returned to the Hudson Bay Company.;;;;;;;;;;
ACTIONNAME164034A;Welcome!;;;;;;;;;;
ACTIONNAME164034B;We have the money only for one;;;;;;;;;;
ACTIONNAME164034C;They can't be trusted!;;;;;;;;;;

and leaders files :
radisson FRA (new) :

Code:

historicalleader = {
	category = conquistador
	id = { type = 6 id = 049915 }
	name = "Radisson"
	startdate = {
		year = 1668
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1687
	}
	location = 103
	rank = 6
	movement = 5
	fire = 1
	shock = 1
	siege = 0
	dormant = yes
}

des groseillers FRA :

Code:

historicalleader = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 049858 }
	category = conquistador
	name = "des Groseilliers"
	startdate = {
		year = 1654
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1660
	}
	location = 108
	rank = 13
	movement = 2
	fire = 3
	shock = 2
	siege = 0
	dormant = no
}

des groseillers FRA (new) :

Code:

historicalleader = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 049916 }
	category = conquistador
	name = "des Groseilliers"
	startdate = {
		year = 1660
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1684
	}
	location = 108
	rank = 13
	movement = 2
	fire = 3
	shock = 2
	siege = 0
	dormant = yes
}

radisson england :

Code:

historicalleader = {
	category = conquistador
	id = { type = 6 id = 046348 }
	name = "Radisson"
	startdate = {
		year = 1668
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1687
	}
	location = 103
	rank = 6
	movement = 5
	fire = 1
	shock = 1
	siege = 0
	dormant = yes
}

des groseillers england (new) :

Code:

historicalleader = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 046396 }
	category = conquistador
	name = "des Groseilliers"
	startdate = {
		year = 1654
	}
	deathdate = {
		year = 1660
	}
	location = 108
	rank = 13
	movement = 2
	fire = 3
	shock = 2
	siege = 0
	dormant = yes
}

Semi-Lobster · Apr 15, 2006

De-VILLARS said:
i think we schould call him Giovanni ! in all the books of history in french i have seen the name in italian

At the time though in France he would be called 'Jean Verazan', nowadays we call him da Verrazano but François I, would have known him as 'Jean Verazan'.

i don't know how to (?) work with the AI files but i'm ready to help you on the historical areas of french colonisation

I don't know either

But some things need to be made clear for early colonisation, France should try to colonise Maine (Ile Saint-Croix) along with Labrador, England should not colonise Acadia, Newfoundland should be contested between the two. France should try to colonise northern Brazil (and the Huguenots should try to colonise Southern Brazil and Florida), if the Huguenots do not exist then France should have a go at these places as well. The problem is that France never sends enough colonists, they barely get past Ontario, let alone eventually all the way down to Louisiane.

De-VILLARS · Apr 15, 2006

have you seen the events on the page before ?

Semi-Lobster · Apr 15, 2006

De-VILLARS said:
have you seen the events on the page before ?

I just found the page, it's very long so I haven't really gotten a chance to rad it all, and the page is rather indepth... a tad too indepth but it could be useful nonetheless

Toio · Apr 15, 2006

Semi-Lobster said:
And should we call Giovanni da Verrazano 'Jean Verazan'? The Spanish have Columbus as Cristóbal Colón. Of course now we call da Verrazano by his Italian name but wouldn't keeping it be anachronistic given that at the time, translating names was very common?

I disagree, I think all leaders should keep their given/birth names,

One reason, is that , later in time some other modder will not know who is Jean Verazan and will introduce Giovanni da Verrazano.

Besides, the french, spanish and portuguese have a tendency to translating names of leaders so they can gain "false" national credit for their discoveries/victories, its purely national propaganda.

columbus should be changed to Columbo.

Semi-Lobster · Apr 15, 2006

Toio said:
I disagree, I think all leaders should keep their given/birth names,

One reason, is that , later in time some other modder will not know who is Jean Verazan and will introduce Giovanni da Verrazano.

Besides, the french, spanish and portuguese have a tendency to translating names of leaders so they can gain "false" national credit for their discoveries/victories, its purely national propaganda.

columbus should be changed to Columbo.

Well what AGCEEP needs is some sort of standardisation of leader names, either we go with adopted names (ie. Cristóbal Colón) or original names (ie. Cristoforo Colombo). Has this topic every been brought up?

BTW does anybody know anybody who could help us with the AI thing?

Colonial Events

AGCEEP French Translator

Major

AGCEEP French Translator

Tàishǒu of Rìnán Commandery

Le diable blanc

Tàishǒu of Rìnán Commandery

zerotoupil's king

zerotoupil's king

AGCEEP French Translator

Just call me Yoda in private!

zerotoupil's king

AGCEEP French Translator

Tàishǒu of Rìnán Commandery

Le diable blanc

Le diable blanc

Tàishǒu of Rìnán Commandery

Le diable blanc

Tàishǒu of Rìnán Commandery

Field Marshal

Tàishǒu of Rìnán Commandery