Colonial Events

[De-VILLARS]

i will write your event as soon as possible, for the weekend it'll be good. Maybe for tomorrow

 

[Semi-Lobster]

i think it's better to have one event for this "arming", but i think the effect schould be less stong ( 5 land tech and 1 trade) but we must also complete this with a loss of population for indians tribes because of theyr wars. The trade took place in hochelaga (Montréal) more than in Stadacone (Québec) .

This event could triggered the great peace of 1701 which is the results of indians wars and franco-iroquois wars. Do you think so ?

Ok, yah, I wanted at least 5 tech because they should be able to assault fortresses. I would like them to have guns but I don't want them making Indian artillery :wacko:

As for the population, I'm not too sure, the native tribes already get lots of nasty disease events.

As for the trade in Stadacone... they traded anywhere where there were French people to trade. BTW Is there any support for the Algonquin to be in the game? They where an important and settled tribe and when the Huron fell they where France's primary ally.

 

[De-VILLARS]

the native tribes already get lots of nasty disease events

well

Ok, yah, I wanted at least 5 tech because they should be able to assault fortresses. I would like them to have guns but I don't want them making Indian artillery

i agree

As for the trade in Stadacone... they traded anywhere where there were French people to trade. BTW Is there any support for the Algonquin to be in the game? They where an important and settled tribe and when the Huron fell they where France's primary ally.

i had the idea that indians schould be installed not as nations but as tribes that can't be included in cities and which leave in a province until they are massacred if we want massacre them but i d'ont know if this idea is possible

 

[Semi-Lobster]

i had the idea that indians schould be installed not as nations but as tribes that can't be included in cities and which leave in a province until they are massacred if we want massacre them but i d'ont know if this idea is possible

De-VILLARS is Johan in disguise!

The Algonquin had villages and agriculture and they were never massacred by anybody. They got pushed off their land after the American Revolutionary War when new loyalist pushed the Algonquin out.

 

[De-VILLARS]

The Algonquin had villages and agriculture and they were never massacred by anybody

i know, i'm very interested in ?/of ? the history of colonisation in north america and particularly in Canada (français )

i think we can write colonial event about america and after that about other areas if you want, it could be a good project

De-VILLARS is Johan in disguise!

you can call me Dvil it's more rapid

 

[Semi-Lobster]

i know, i'm very interested in ?/of ? the history of colonisation in north america and particularly in Canada (français )

i think we can write colonial event about america and after that about other areas if you want, it could be a good project

Yes, France should study more about their colonial history, New France had a rich and wonderful history, I love reading about the Battle of Carillion Too bad you traded it all away and thousands of French people for Guadeloupe As for the Algonquin, I'm lazy so I'll steal from Wikipedia!

They fought the Iroquois due to their rivalry in the fur trade; and formed an alliance with the Montagnais to the east in 1570.

From 1603 they allied themselves with the French under Samuel de Champlain. In 1632, after Sir David Kirke's occupation of New France had demonstrated French colonial vulnerability, the French began to trade muskets to the Algonkins and other aboriginal allies. French Jesuits began to actively seek Algonkin conversions to Roman Catholicism, opening up a bitter divide between traditionalists and converts.

you can call me Dvil it's more rapid

Ok Dvil

 

[De-VILLARS]

Yes, France should study more about their colonial history, New France had a rich and wonderful history

you say that and your are right but the professors in france don't think so because it was during our monarchy and under the french republic it's not accepted to say that the kings have make great things

I love reading about the Battle of Carillion

the victory of Montcalm against Abercromby
we say the battle of "Fort Carillon"

 

[Semi-Lobster]

you say that and your are right but the professors in france don't think so because it was during our monarchy and under the french republic it's not accepted to say that the kings have make great things

:rofl: Yah because the colonisation of the Republic of France was SOOO much more enlightened! :rofl: (I'm Cambodian )

the victory of Montcalm against Abercromby
we say the bettle of "Fort Carillon"

Monogahela was awesome! Also Montcalm get's criticised a lot by historians but he was brilliant for the most part. If France had kept Canada they would be able to use this guy!

Charles-Michel d'Irumberry de Salaberry

In November of 1812, during the War of 1812, de Salaberry commanded the advance guard of the force that turned away Henry Dearborn's northern attack at La Colle Mill. Later, some of his Voltigeurs took part in the decisive Battle of Crysler's Farm, described by some as the battle that "saved Canada."

De Salaberry's greatest claim to fame came at Chateauguay in October 1812, when he intercepted and turned the American troops advancing on Montreal under Gen. Wade Hampton. With regular reports from loyal farmers along the border, de Salaberry knew all of Hampton's movements and troop numbers as the Americans approached the Chateauguay River south-west of Montreal. He ordered the felling of trees to build tangled breastworks of "abatis" in the ravines where the Chateauguay met the English River, then dispersed his troops through the woods. Facing Hampton's force of 4000 troops and 10 cannon, de Salaberry led an advance guard or 250 Voltigeurs plus 50 allied warriors of the Kaunawakee Mohawk nation. The rest of de Salaberry's corps, 1500 men, remained in reserve.

On October 26, when Hampton encountered the barricades, he sent 1500 of his troops to surround the French Canadians. De Salaberry used the twilight and difficult terrain to confuse the enemy, ordering bugles to be blown from several locations and convincing Hampton that a much larger force was lurking in the darkness. Les Voltigeurs then launched a withering fire down into the ravine, inflicting numerous casualties. Unable to outflank de Salaberry, Hampton elected to withdraw back to the American border.

The encounter won fame and honours for de Salaberry, but had he not succeeded, his personal fortunes may have been quite different. He was so convinced that victory would be his that he neglected to report the Americans' advance to his senior officers. Failure would likely have meant court-martial for him and, possibly, the fall of Montreal. The gambit worked, however; Britain struck a gold medal to commemorate the Battle of Chateauguay and de Salaberry became a legendary figure in Quebec history.

Oh wait! This remind me! We need military leaders for New France!

 

[De-VILLARS]

Yah because the colonisation of the Republic of France was SOOO much more enlightened!

i have say great thing not good thing be careful !

i'm from savoie, a country which is french since only 1860 (and which exists since 1035) so i understand a little what does colonisation means (for the language, lies that have been told...).
we study the history of the republican colonisation (as in Cambodge) but not the one of monarchy although it exists so they have pushed us to forgot the history of Canada

but he was brilliant for the most part

unfortunately he lose at the "Plaines d'Abraham"

Oh wait! This remind me! We need military leaders for New France!

there are leaders already no ? (frontenac...)

i propose : frontenac, la mothe-cadillac, pierre le moyne d'iberville, le moyne de bienville, montcalm (who exists already)

 

[Semi-Lobster]

i have say great thing not good thing be careful !

i'm from savoie, a country which is french since only 1860 (and which exists since 1035) so i understand a little what does colonisation means (for the language, lies that have been told...).
we study the history of the republican colonisation (as in Cambodge) but not the one of monarchy although it exists so they have pushed us to forgot the history of Canada

i'm surprised, they don't mention anything about the French exploration of the Americas? Not even the really basic stuff like Jacques Cartier? Quebec is a fanastic place, if I were able to actually speak French i'd like to live in Montreal or Quebec City, they're beatiful places live, people from Quebec are very proud of their heritage and language and it's a shame that you don't learn about them in school in France (but then again it could just be a Savoie thing).

unfortunately he lose at the "Plaines d'Abraham"

The Plains of Abraham was a bit weird actually, it was Montcalm's only lose of the war, but what a lose!

there are leaders already no ? (frontenac...)

i propose : frontenac, la mothe-cadillac, pierre le moyne d'iberville, le moyne de bienville, montcalm (who exists already)

I would add de Salaberry if France owns Stadacone.

For the native armament events, I donlt think it's possible to jump multiple tech levels at once. I think we'll have to do it in a few events.

 

[De-VILLARS]

like Jacques Cartier

a little which is very little
the french knows that québecois speak french but they don't know why

people from Quebec are very proud of their heritage and language

they are much proud of it that french themselves but me i am very proud of being french, Long live France !

but what a lose

we have understand, don't reinforce the regrets (?)

i would add de Salaberry if France owns Stadacone

thanks to you i have dicovered a "french" military leader

I think we'll have to do it in a few events

is the HC will agree these events ? that is the question

i d'ont know if you have see but i have make events for Siam

 

[Semi-Lobster]

a little which is very little
the french knows that québecois speak french but they don't know why

they are much proud of it that french themselves but me i am very proud of being french, Long live France !

Quebec is very protective of their language, I mean VERY, VERY protective, French is the only official language in Quebec, all children must learn French, all signs must be French, etc. etc. Montreal is the third largest French city in the world after Paris and Kinshasa.

we have understand, don't reinforce the regrets (?)

Well it wasn't really Montcalm's fault, there was a lot of things against him. They where cut off from French reinforcements and supplies after Louisbourg fell and the biggest crop failure in Canadian history just so happened to hit in 1756 and 1757 so Montcalm had to release much of his militia to return to their farms (the Canadien militia where very good, especially compared to the American militia of the British, I can't remember the quote off-hand but one British officer called his american militia one of the worst organised, and cowardly men he had ever lead while the Canadien militia where very tough, with good morale and excellent sharp-shooters).

thanks to you i have dicovered a "french" military leader

Well de Salaberry comes from a very long line of soldiers, he can trace his lingeage all the way to the time of Merovech (Mérovée), his entire family where soldiers.

is the HC will agree these events ? that is the question

i d'ont know if you have see but i have make events for Siam

HC? What is that?

Also I remember why I also wanted an 'Arrival of the Carignan-Salières Regiment' and 'Arrival of the Compagnies Franches de la Marine'. Unlike in New England where the soldiers where treated with contempt by the locals, the French soldiers who came to Canada where welcomed and when they retired they married local girls and greatly boosted the population of New France. Many Quebec last names are actually 'noms de guerre' used by French soldiers.

 

[De-VILLARS]

HC? What is that?

the AGCEEP High Council

Also I remember why I also wanted an 'Arrival of the Carignan-Salières Regiment' and 'Arrival of the Compagnies Franches de la Marine'. Unlike in New England where the soldiers where treated with contempt by the locals, the French soldiers who came to Canada where welcomed and when they retired they married local girls and greatly boosted the population of New France. Many Quebec last names are actually 'noms de guerre' used by French soldiers.

i will discuss with the french men of the HC to see if it's possible to make these events

 

[Semi-Lobster]

the AGCEEP High Council


i will discuss with the french men of the HC to see if it's possible to make these events

Ok! thank you!

Here another event propsal

de Denonville's Parley (for both the Iroquois and French)

In the Winter of 1687, Jacques-René de Brisay de Denonville, Marquis de Denonville, and Governor of New France instructed the Intendant of New France, Jean Bochart de Champigny, sieur de Noroy de Verneuil to hold a 'grand festival' at Fort Frontenac as a peace parley for the Iroquois who had been in a state of hostility to outright war since the days of Champlain. On the day of of the festival in June 1688 de Denonville arrived with 1600 armed troops and seized 1600 men, women and children long with the Mohawk Chief Orcanoue and brought them back to Quebec in chains. This treachery by the French outraged the Iroquois Confederacy who would go begin a new campaign to drive the French out of North America culminating at the Massacre of Lachine.

(For France)
Option A) Seize them! Population in Quebec +1600, relations with the Iroquois -200 triggers. The Iroquois event with the same text will fire.

Option B) We need Peace! (+50 relations with the Iroquois)

(For the Iroquois)
Option A) This will not go unpunished! ...I haven't really thought of what would happen, obviously a casus belli but also war? Should the Massacre of Lachine also be an event?

 

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Are you talking of me?

Go ahead but don't forget France has already the greatest number of leaders (115, iirc).

 

[Semi-Lobster]

Are you talking of me?

Go ahead but don't forget France has already the greatest number of leaders (115, iirc).

Leaders and explorers (explorers and conquistadors that is)? Or just leaders?

 

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Leaders in general but maybe not the greatest number of explorers and conquistadors. See leaders.fra (in AGCEEP)

 

[De-VILLARS]

Go ahead but don't forget France has already the greatest number of leaders

je veux bien mais la france est la pays militaire au monde par excellence donc c'est normal o

i propose that we limit the number of general to the most famous

@ Yoda : is it possible to decide where a general arrive ?

@lobster : i will study your events tomorrow

 

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For information, the number of explorer and conquistador per country :

Country	Nb 
SPA	37
POR	31
RUS	23
HOL	21
FRA	19
ENG	18
FLA	13
DAN	3
USA	3
WLS	2
ARG	2
CHI	2
KUR	2
POL	2
MOS	1
OHI	1
SWE	1
TUR	1
ANN	1

This number is relative because of the duration of each explorer or conquistador and the time when they come (in 1440 you can't discover as much as in 1750)

 

[De-VILLARS]

hello

FLA ?