yes, historically these islands don't have been colonised when they were secede to france
i don't understand
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Midomar said:No the islands were empty. They gave "the right" to colonise...
We can give France a core on the Falklands I guess.
Also Pierre Dugua, Sieur de Monts should be a conquistador from 1599-1607.
De-VILLARS said:
If his offer was not accepted by the french king (I have absolutely no idea, but that is what you seem to say) than the options in the first event should be reversed, rejection as A and acceptance as B. This way the AI would most often select the historical option (95% or so)
Do you guys think the violent feud (practically a civil war really) between Governor Charles de Menou, Seigneur d'Aulnay de Charnizay based in Port-Royal and former Governor Charles de La Tour at Fort La Tour (technically called Fort Sainte-Marie but even French cartographers called it Fort La Tour) should be modelled somehow?
So here's what I'm thinking should be events (I'll go into detail later)
Pierre-Esprit Radisson and Médard des Groseilliers
The Arming and Converting the Huron by the French against the Iroquois
The Fall of Huronia
Denonville's treachery at Lachine
Charles Le Moyne d'Iberrville's raids in Newfoundland and Hudson Bay
Jean Talon
Louisbourg (a bunch of events to increase the tax and walls on a useless island )
Expulsion of the Acadians
Arrival of the Carignan-Salières Regiment
Arrival of the Compagnies Franches de la Marine
Compagnie des Marchands, Compagnie de Montmorency and Compagnie des Cent-Associés events
Events for the more important govenors of New France (Frontenac, La Galissonière, Marquis de Beauharnois etc.)
Îles Malouines
France Antarctique
France Équinoxiale
Maybe even some fantasy events
So here's what I'm thinking should be events (I'll go into detail later)
Pierre-Esprit Radisson and Médard des Groseilliers
The Arming and Converting the Huron by the French against the Iroquois
The Fall of Huronia
Denonville's treachery at Lachine
Charles Le Moyne d'Iberrville's raids in Newfoundland and Hudson Bay
Jean Talon
Louisbourg (a bunch of events to increase the tax and walls on a useless island
)Expulsion of the Acadians
Arrival of the Carignan-Salières Regiment
Arrival of the Compagnies Franches de la Marine
Compagnie des Marchands, Compagnie de Montmorency and Compagnie des Cent-Associés events
Events for the more important govenors of New France (Frontenac, La Galissonière, Marquis de Beauharnois etc.)
Îles Malouines
France Antarctique
France Équinoxiale
Maybe even some fantasy events
indeed, it's a mistakesabular said:
in this case we must make an event for the alliance between england and iroquois ?Lobster said:
i agree
i think that these events are not necessary because the gamers can send troups in the new world himselves, for me this is the main difficulty that a colonial nation meet : defend its land, so make event to have troups in this land is to easy
i agree but i wait for more details for the antarctique and the equinoxiale
De-VILLARS said:
Yes, technically the Iroquois should also get firearms from the Dutch as well. The Huron and Iroquois (ESPECIALLY the Iroquois) Where VERY effective allies who knew the terrain and where excellent marksman.
I was thinking of making an 'Etienne Brule's treachery' event that fires if France and England are at war between 1600-1650 and if France owns Stadacone The English get a free 'discovery' (revealing where Stadacone is) but I'm not sure if you can reveal provinces by event...
i think that these events are not necessary because the gamers can send troups in the new world himselves, for me this is the main difficulty that a colonial nation meet : defend its land, so make event to have troups in this land is to easy
Agrred, it's obvious enough for the players but the French AI along with being one of the worst colonisers in EUII also does a terrible job protecting it's colonies, especially during revolts. It should therefore be an AI event.
i agree but i wait for more details for the antarctique and the equinoxiale
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_Antarctique
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_Équinoxiale
The attempts France made to colonise South America. France Équinoxiale was Catholic while France Antarctique wa initially Protestant but later many Catholics came as well. All that is really left of these colonies is French Guyana.
De-VILLARS said:
Oh well, maybe we can have some other sort of Kirke Brothers event somehow. Can youthink of any events that should be proposed that I missed?
the great peace of 1701 : it was a peace between all indians tribes and the french and it was respected (not totally but well respected) during a long periodLobster said:
the treaty of Saint germain en Laie signed in 1632 : england say that canada and acadie are legally french after the episode of brother kirke
excuse me for the many mistakes in english, i hope i'am understood as well as possible
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do you like Siam ?
I have made events between this land and france (it's also colonial)
De-VILLARS said:the great peace of 1701 : it was a peace between all indians tribes and the french and it was respected (not totally but well respected) during a long period
the treaty of Saint germain en Laie signed in 1632 : england say that canada and acadie are legally french after the episode of brother kirke
excuse me for the many mistakes in english, i hope i'am understood as well as possible
For the Treaty of Saint-Germaine en Laie, what would the effects be? Cores on Quebec and Acadia?
we have discussed this on forum franco and with Yodamaster, the HC doesn't wants too many cores so we have thought that a solution could be to give 3 or 4 cores to france spread in north america to represent this treaty ( for example cores on Québec, Louisbourg, Détroit).
I have made events like this for NA, caraîbes, india. For france and england but other are also possible
De-VILLARS said:
So you're an event writer? Maybe could help write events for the ones proposed
y play a part in event writing yes, i am also the responsible os the sticky AGCEEP on the forum franco
actually i have time to write event but no to write historical description so we can work by two for your events
De-VILLARS said:y play a part in event writing yes, i am also the responsible os the sticky AGCEEP on the forum franco
actually i have time to write event but no to write historical description so we can work by two for your events
Ok, I'll write the text and you write the events
I'll start with Radisson and des Groseilliers. I don't really think we can handle them with one event, they switched sides several times. Radisson and des Groseilliers should start French without event in 1654 until 1660 when this event fires.Radisson and des Groseilliers
Pierre-Esprit Radisson (1640 – 1710) and his brother-in-law Médard des Groseilliers (1618 – 1696) were two French fur trappers and explorers. After coming to the New World from France both Pierre and Médard quickly adapted to the life of the coureur des bois ("runner of the woods"), the trappers and fur traders in the Canadian wilderness. They both learned the language of the natives and were very successful in the fur trade. In 1660 after returning to Québec from the wilds with their furs; their hard earned gains where confiscated from them by the authorities, as the brothers did not have a licence.
Option A) Confiscate the furs! Get 200 gold and lose the service of Radisson and des Groseilliers
Option B) Let them keep their furs... Lose 100 gold, retain the services of Radisson and des Groseilliers and sleep next event
On June 1668 this event fires for England
Radisson and des Groseilliers Offer their Services to England (English event)
Unhappy with their treatment by the officials of New France, Radisson and des Groseilliers arrived in New England and offered their services to the English colonel George Cartwright who took them to England and submitted them to the court of King Charles II. In June 1668, they finally left England, sailing into Hudson Bay from the north.
Option A) Welcome! England gains the services of Radisson and des Groseilliers as explorers later triggers next event
Option B) They can't be trusted! Nothing happens, triggers next event.
Event fires in 1674
The Return of Radisson and Des Groseilliers
In 1674, Radisson and Des Groseilliers, dissatisfied of their treatment by the Hudson Bay Company, were convinced by the Jesuit Charles Albanel to return to France.
A) Welcome them back! France gains the services of Radisson and des Groseilliers as conquistadors
B) Let them come back but continue to treat them poorly. Gains the services of des Groseilliers as a conquistador triggers next event #1
C) Bah! Away with them! triggers next event #2
Both of the next events fire in 1684 depending on what choice you made in the previous event
Radisson Returns to the Hudson Bay Company (For the English) #1
Always frustrated by the French, Radisson returned to the service of the Hudson Bay Company.
A) Welcome! Gains the services of Radisson as an explorer
B) They can't be trusted! Nothing happens
Radisson and Des Groseilliers Return to the Hudson Bay Company (For the English) #2
Turned away by the French authorities Radisson and Des Groseilliers returned to the Hudson Bay Company.
A) Welcome! Gains the services of Radisson and Des Groseilliers as explorers
B) They can't be trusted! Nothing happens
is this action triggerred the english event ?
- 50 gold ?
- 50 gold also ?
idem
idem
if we chose to not welcome RaDisson and des Groseillers it schould increase land technology, +100/200 to equilibrate the loss of two conquistador
De-VILLARS said:
Yes and the other one sleeps it.
I guess of small amount of money to mount the expedition is in order. Also I guess a hit to French-English relations.
Huh? What does 'idem' mean? Well I think the two should become explorers because they discovered the sea route into the Hudson Bay rather then over land like before and they explored the Hudson Bay for the Hudson Bay Company because from the sea.
That's a good idea
De-VILLARS said:idem means "same", so for these option it may have - 50 gold
Well they're pretty much the same event but the first, England only get's Radisson (the historical path) and if the second event would fire then Radisson and de Groseillers would go over to the English.
Ok!
For 'The Arming and Converting the Huron by the French against the Iroquois' should it just be one big event? Or many, small events? And how big should the effect be? I think ideally the Iroquois and Huron should reach 7 or 9 land tech by the 1600's and 1 trade because of these events. Huron, Iroquois should know wher Stadacone is so they can trade there.
i think it's better to have one event for this "arming", but i think the effect schould be less stong ( 5 land tech and 1 trade) but we must also complete this with a loss of population for indians tribes because of theyr wars. The trade took place in hochelaga (Montréal) more than in Stadacone (Québec)
. This event could triggered the great peace of 1701 which is the results of indians wars and franco-iroquois wars. Do you think so ?