Colonial Events

[Semi-Lobster]

I was playing a nice relaxing game as France when when I got a very strange event. It was about the Salem witch trials which was very odd considering I was France and not England. I guess that it fired because I owned Massachuttes, I think these events should not only be tied to provincial control but also to specific countries as well. I also find it very odd that there's a Salem Witch trial series of events but there are no events for Colonial France, Netherlands, Sweden, Portugal or Spain like this.

 

[unmerged(47680)]

That's a good point; the Salem trials in French weren't impossible, but binding such event to province might not be the best option (Is this event triggered only by province ownership?). Imagine one of those - not so rare - situations where land in America falls into hands of some Asian country due to a peace agreement. I guess we should restrict to Christian countries having inquisitional events...

 

[doktarr]

I was playing a nice relaxing game as France when when I got a very strange event. It was about the Salem witch trials which was very odd considering I was France and not England. I guess that it fired because I owned Massachuttes, I think these events should not only be tied to provincial control but also to specific countries as well.

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. I think it's reasonable to at least place province religion triggers as well, as the event would not make as much sense for a Catholic colony, to say nothing of some non-Christian religion.

I also find it very odd that there's a Salem Witch trial series of events but there are no events for Colonial France, Netherlands, Sweden, Portugal or Spain like this.

Well, someone has to write them.

 

[Semi-Lobster]

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. I think it's reasonable to at least place province religion triggers as well, as the event would not make as much sense for a Catholic colony, to say nothing of some non-Christian religion.

Also the event is VERY specific, it mentions english names, institutions and peoples etc. It couldn't work with any country EXCEPT England

Well, someone has to write them.

don't look at me, I'm terrible with event writing o

That's a good point; the Salem trials in French weren't impossible, but binding such event to province might not be the best option (Is this event triggered only by province ownership?). Imagine one of those - not so rare - situations where land in America falls into hands of some Asian country due to a peace agreement. I guess we should restrict to Christian countries having inquisitional events...

I think binding events to countries and province ownership is the only way we can have New World events that will fire correctly as for a witch trial in a Catholic country, at least in France's case only Catholics where allowed to move to New France, no Jews or Protestants where allowed, I've also read in the early colonisatyion of the Caribbean at least, only Catholics where allowed where allowed as well (they also excluded those being suspected of being conversos, Jews who converted to Christianity to avoid being deported) and Catholic countries had the Inquisition model which, although it got a lot of bad press in Spain (it deserved a place of infamy of course), it wasn't all bad and is pretty much the basis of the modern Western court system with witness' and evidence etc.

 

[doktarr]

Well, someone has to write them.

don't look at me, I'm terrible with event writing o

You don't get off that easy. How about: someone has to suggest them.

 

[unmerged(47680)]

I think binding events to countries and province ownership is the only way we can have New World events that will fire correctly as for a witch trial in a Catholic country, at least in France's case only Catholics where allowed to move to New France, no Jews or Protestants where allowed, I've also read in the early colonisatyion of the Caribbean at least, only Catholics where allowed where allowed as well (they also excluded those being suspected of being conversos, Jews who converted to Christianity to avoid being deported) and Catholic countries had the Inquisition model which, although it got a lot of bad press in Spain (it deserved a place of infamy of course), it wasn't all bad and is pretty much the basis of the modern Western court system with witness' and evidence etc.

Yeah, you're right, and I don't disagree with you. To have an inquisitional event like the Salem trials working correctly, we need to put in trigger condition that both the owning country and the owned province is of adequate religion.

The problem is that the event text is limiting us to the historical owner of Salem, id est England. However, the text can be perhaps rewritten in a way avoiding names in order to allow other countries, like France, experience that event coherently. It's nearly impossible to script such separate event for every colonial country, so maybe add to the event description a few phrases generally describing the witch hunt and inquisition processes in colonies, and treat the existing detailed (and Anglo-Saxon) event text as a juicy example in the event text?

 

[Semi-Lobster]

You don't get off that easy. How about: someone has to suggest them.

Oh I can do that but I'm not to sure about triggers and such since alot of events for France would also depend on the British and given France's terrible colonisation AI, that could be a problem if this was done between AI England and AI France. I'll get working on proposing some French events though (since I have more resources on France then Spain). New world events in general would be good, the Iroquois and Huron should be useful and important allies, not speed bumps.

 

[szmik]

just bring some ideas... they could use them

or even me would write some events for that... I'm not inventive but give an idea and I'll make an event

 

[Semi-Lobster]

Colonial Events for France in the Americas (I suck at formatting so err... I'm just giving the text and stuff) but first explorers and conquistadors!

New Explorers and Conquistadors:

Louis-Armand de Lom d'Arce de Lahontan (Baron de Lahontan) - conquistador - 1688 - 1716
Pierre-Charles Le Sueur - conquistador - 1700 -1704
Daniel Greysolon (Sieur du Lhut) - conquistador - 1674 - 1681
Zacharie Robutel de La Noue - conquistador - 1717 - 1733
Pierre Gaultier de Varennes (sieur de La Vérendrye) - conquistador - 1731 - 1744
André Thévet - conquistador - 1555 - 1567
Jacques Marquette - conquistador - 1666 (a rather odd date to start missionary work for a priest ) - 1675 (he can also be merged with the existed Louis Jolliet)
Jean de Brébeuf - conquistador - 1625 - 1649
Louis Feuillée - conquistador - 1699 - 1711 (there so many French botanist explorers! :wacko: )
Jacques Gouin de Beauchene - explorer - 1698 - 1730
René Goulaine de Laudonnière - conquistador - 1562 - 1582
Nicolas Durand de Villegaignon - explorer 1555 - 1571
Daniel de la Touche (Seigneur de la Ravardière) - explorer - 1612 - ???
Étienne Brûlé - conquistador - 1610 - 1633
Louis Blanchette - conquistador - ??? - 1769
Antoine Laumet de La Mothe (sieur de Cadillac) - conquistador - 1683 - 1730
René-Robert Cavelier - conquistador - 1678 - 1687
Louis Hennepin - conquistador - 1678 - 1705
Michel Aco - conquistador - 1678 - 1693 (Aco, Hennepin and Cavelier could be just one explorer if you think 3 is too much)
Remove Frontenac, he was not an explorer, he was the govenor! I'll address Médard des Groseilliers and Pierre-Esprit Radisson in a seperate event. Jean Nicolet should only have one 'L'.

 

[De-VILLARS]

Hello, i'm french and i have prepared events for french colonial history. I'm not very good in english

Remove Frontenac, he was not an explorer, he was the govenor!

yes !

Pierre-Esprit Radisson in a seperate event

for him i have these events

Radisson

#Radisson-France#
event = {
	id = 
	random = no
	country = FRA1
	name = "EVENTNAME"
	desc = "EVENTHIST"
	style = 2

	date = { day = 1 month = february year =  }
	offset = 50
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = april year =  }

	action_a ={	
		name = "ACTIONNAMEA"
		command = { type = leader which = 09016 } 
		command = { type = treasury value = -25 }
	}
	action_b ={	
		name = "ACTIONNAMEB"
		command = { type = land value = 100 }
		command = { type = trigger which = ENG1 }
		}
}
#Radisson-England#
event = {		 
	id = 
	random = no
	country = ENG1
	name = "EVENTNAME"
	desc = "EVENTHIST"
	style = 2

	date = { day = 1 month = february year =  }
	offset = 50
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = april year =  }

	action_a ={	
		name = "ACTIONNAMEA"
		command = { type = leader which = 09016 } 
	             command = { type = treasury value = -25 }
	}
	action_b ={	
		name = "ACTIONNAMEB"
		command = { type = land  value = 100 }
		}
}

he tried to be at the order of french king but he finished in england because the king don't want to pay him to explore. Radisson discovered for england the hudson bay

New Explorers and Conquistadors:

those that i think they are important :
Daniel Greysolon (Sieur du Lhut) - conquistador - 1674 - 1681
Jacques Marquette - conquistador - 1666 (a rather odd date to start missionary work for a priest ) - 1675 (he can also be merged with the existed Louis Jolliet)
René Goulaine de Laudonnière - conquistador - 1562 - 1582
Nicolas Durand de Villegaignon - explorer 1555 - 1571
Antoine Laumet de La Mothe (sieur de Cadillac) - conquistador - 1683 - 1730
about him we say : de la mothe-Cadillac
René-Robert Cavelier - conquistador - 1678 - 1687
we know him under this name : Robert Cavelier de la Salle

edit : i'm keen on colonial history so i like build events and i have a lot of ideas.

 

[unmerged(1385)]

About the list, I have several remarks :

René-Robert Cavelier : already exists ("Robert de La Salle" id = 09041 )
Daniel Greysolon (Sieur du Lhut) : already exists ("Daniel Dulhut" id = 09043 )
Pierre Gaultier de Varennes (sieur de La Vérendrye) : already exists ("Gaultier de La Vérendrye" id = 09074 )

Nicolas Durand de Villegagnon should be a French Protestant explorer if this country exists.
And it is also valid for René Goulaine de Laudonnière which should be merged with Jean Ribaut.
André Thévet should be merged with Villegagnon.

Jacques Marquette should be merged with Louis Jolliet.
Aco, Hennepin and La Salle shoud be merged into one conquistador.

Des Groseilliers and Radisson should be french conquistador until 1665, then english explorers. And they hould be merged into one explorer.

Jean de Brébeuf is a missonary, not a truly explorer
Louis Feuillée is a botanist, not a truly explorer


About the others, my opinion :

Étienne Brûlé is an important explorer, he should be added.

Louis-Armand de Lom d'Arce de Lahontan, Louis Blanchette, Antoine Laumet de La Mothe and Pierre-Charles Le Sueur aren't so important, but they could be added if there aren't too many french explorer.

Jacques Gouin de Beauchene, Zacharie Robutel de La Noue, Daniel de la Touche are very minors explorers.


If you removed Frontenac, you could removed Pierre Poivre who was also a governor, except if you want to represent the French Trade Companies.

 

[De-VILLARS]

About the list, I have several remarks :

@ Aegnor : je voulais les faire mais j'avais pas le temps

Des Groseilliers and Radisson should be french conquistador until 1665, then english explorers. And they hould be merged into one explorer.

yes

Jacques Marquette should be merged with Louis Jolliet.

under the name of jolliet because marquette was a priest

Nicolas Durand de Villegagnon should be a French Protestant explorer if this country exists.

i agree

Étienne Brûlé is an important explorer, he should be added.

what did he explored ?

If you removed Frontenac, you could removed Pierre Poivre who was also a governor, except if you want to represent the French Trade Companies.

is dupleix in the game ?

 

[Norrefeldt]

The problem is that the event text is limiting us to the historical owner of Salem, id est England. However, the text can be perhaps rewritten in a way avoiding names in order to allow other countries, like France, experience that event coherently. It's nearly impossible to script such separate event for every colonial country, so maybe add to the event description a few phrases generally describing the witch hunt and inquisition processes in colonies, and treat the existing detailed (and Anglo-Saxon) event text as a juicy example in the event text?

Good idea.

 

[Semi-Lobster]

About the list, I have several remarks :

René-Robert Cavelier : already exists ("Robert de La Salle" id = 09041 )
Daniel Greysolon (Sieur du Lhut) : already exists ("Daniel Dulhut" id = 09043 )
Pierre Gaultier de Varennes (sieur de La Vérendrye) : already exists ("Gaultier de La Vérendrye" id = 09074 )

Thank you Aegnor and De-VILLARS, I kinda did a half -assed job going over the leader files

Nicolas Durand de Villegagnon should be a French Protestant explorer if this country exists.
And it is also valid for René Goulaine de Laudonnière which should be merged with Jean Ribaut.
André Thévet should be merged with Villegagnon.

Yes Villegagnon was initially a Protestant but regardless, he was in service to France, he even named a city Henriville in honour of Henri II. Post of the colonists as well where intially Protestants as well but later brought Catholics to France Antarctique as well. Also the Portugese attacked France Antarctique because it was in violation of the Treaty of Tordesillas, which applied to Catholic countries.

Jacques Marquette should be merged with Louis Jolliet.
Aco, Hennepin and La Salle shoud be merged into one conquistador.

Fair enough but Marquette was very famous in his own right, not just for his travels with Jolliet.

Des Groseilliers and Radisson should be french conquistador until 1665, then english explorers. And they hould be merged into one explorer.

Brule should probably get a similiar event to with the Kirke Brothers, I'll think of something today

Jean de Brébeuf is a missonary, not a truly explorer
Louis Feuillée is a botanist, not a truly explorer

You're probably right, maybe they could be events somehow.

About the others, my opinion :

Étienne Brûlé is an important explorer, he should be added.

I agree, he was a role model to all future coureur des bois.

Louis-Armand de Lom d'Arce de Lahontan, Louis Blanchette, Antoine Laumet de La Mothe and Pierre-Charles Le Sueur aren't so important, but they could be added if there aren't too many french explorer.

If AI France's TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE and AHISTORICAL colonisation is any indication, France needs as many conquistadors and explorers it can get.

Jacques Gouin de Beauchene, Zacharie Robutel de La Noue, Daniel de la Touche are very minors explorers.

For Jacques Gouin de Beauchene, France doesn't have enough 17th century explorers and he did some pretty amazing things, he had a lot of first for France, he was the first Frenchman to sail Cape Horn, discovered the Falkland Islands, sailed into the Strait of Magellan etc.

If you removed Frontenac, you could removed Pierre Poivre who was also a governor, except if you want to represent the French Trade Companies.

I have events planned for the govenors (well not events really, just text and outlines for events since I can't write events very well after all these years o )

those that i think they are important :
Daniel Greysolon (Sieur du Lhut) - conquistador - 1674 - 1681
Jacques Marquette - conquistador - 1666 (a rather odd date to start missionary work for a priest ) - 1675 (he can also be merged with the existed Louis Jolliet)
René Goulaine de Laudonnière - conquistador - 1562 - 1582
Nicolas Durand de Villegaignon - explorer 1555 - 1571
Antoine Laumet de La Mothe (sieur de Cadillac) - conquistador - 1683 - 1730
about him we say : de la mothe-Cadillac
René-Robert Cavelier - conquistador - 1678 - 1687
we know him under this name : Robert Cavelier de la Salle

edit : i'm keen on colonial history so i like build events and i have a lot of ideas.

Yes, they should definatly be in and thanks for the name clarification.

 

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Yes Villegagnon was initially a Protestant but regardless, he was in service to France, he even named a city Henriville in honour of Henri II. Post of the colonists as well where intially Protestants as well but later brought Catholics to France Antarctique as well. Also the Portugese attacked France Antarctique because it was in violation of the Treaty of Tordesillas, which applied to Catholic countries.

Sure, but Villegagnon and Ribaut were sent by Coligny who wanted to form several protestant colonies, not by Henri II. They could be French explorer if French Protestant doesn't exist, but if French Protestant exists, they should be under this country.

You're probably right, maybe they could be events somehow.

I think, it should a better idea.

For Jacques Gouin de Beauchene, France doesn't have enough 17th century explorers and he did some pretty amazing things, he had a lot of first for France, he was the first Frenchman to sail Cape Horn, discovered the Falkland Islands, sailed into the Strait of Magellan etc.

You're right. France doesn't have enough explorer in 17th century. Most of its explorer are 16th or 18th.

I have events planned for the govenors (well not events really, just text and outlines for events since I can't write events very well after all these years )

It is possible, but there are severals governors for others countries, such as Martim de Sousa for Portugal, so I think governors are a representation/simulation of all the minors explorers under them.

 

[unmerged(1385)]

Étienne Brûlé is an important explorer, he should be added.

what did he explored ?

Most of the Lakes and Pennsylvania
See here (sorry in french)

is dupleix in the game ?

No, he has been removed from vanilla by AGCEEP. But if you have Poivre, you don't need to have Dupleix.

 

[De-VILLARS]

Falkland Islands

i have an idea of small event related to the falkland islands :
the king of spain give these islands to france in 1760's, inhabitants of St-Malo were send but they couldn't establish themselves

it's possible to write this :
the falklands (spain)
1) give it : secedeprovince which falkland, relation which france +50, trigger fra
2) no it's ours

the falklands (france)
1) accetp this gift : treasury value -50
2) i don't like islands : relation which spain -50

 

[Semi-Lobster]

Sure, but Villegagnon and Ribaut were sent by Coligny who wanted to form several protestant colonies, not by Henri II. They could be French explorer if French Protestant doesn't exist, but if French Protestant exists, they should be under this country.

Hmm... perhaps, but then the Portugese can't attack France Antarctique.

It is possible, but there are severals governors for others countries, such as Martim de Sousa for Portugal, so I think governors are a representation/simulation of all the minors explorers under them.

Well some events for important govenors and intendants like Talon and Frontenac, I'm not going to have one for Augustin de Saffray de Mésy for example.

 

[Semi-Lobster]

i have an idea of small event related to the falkland islands :
the king of spain give these islands to france in 1760's, inhabitants of St-Malo were send but they couldn't establish themselves

it's possible to write this :
the falklands (spain)
1) give it : secedeprovince which falkland, relation which france +50, trigger fra
2) no it's ours

the falklands (france)
1) accetp this gift : treasury value -50
2) i don't like islands : relation which spain -50

That would require Spain to have colonised it in the first place which they don't always do. Give them a random firing event in the mid 1700's, but if the Island is not colonised France should probably try to colonise the Falklands themselves

 

[De-VILLARS]

Sure, but Villegagnon and Ribaut were sent by Coligny who wanted to form several protestant colonies, not by Henri II. They could be French explorer if French Protestant doesn't exist, but if French Protestant exists, they should be under this country.

i agree with aegnor

@ Aegnor : comment on dit je plussoie en anglais ?

(sorry in french)

is it really a problem ?

No, he has been removed from vanilla by AGCEEP. But if you have Poivre, you don't need to have Dupleix.

i think that dupleix is more important than poivre so i'd like see him. moreover we can wrote event with dupleix and the trade company of indies