Collectivism and Free Migration

[litlbear]

It seems that collective states are more viable as slavers, but will allowing free migration somehow let slaves escape or rise up? I feel like slaving in general is asking for a rebellion, why even take slaves when you can just have them as citizens?

EDIT: Everyone's gonna hate you if you do take slaves, so unless you plan to play purely military or just want to give away 50% of the collective bonus, you have to take slaves.

 

[Kordishal]

Slaves are more productive when working minerals or energy, but generate less science.

Other than that we have not really seen much in turn of slave game play.

 

[litlbear]

I want to try a collective military power, but I want the option for diplomacy. Taking slaves requires xenophobia, so diplomacy will be impossible it seems. I hope i'm wrong.

 

[Kimberly]

Although I don't think we've seen it in action, I doubt slaves will be able to move on their own even when migration is permitted. Per Developer Diary 26, "enslaved Pops are harder workers (but poorer scientists.)" The reason you'd want slaves instead of citizens is that you do not need to keep slaves happy (as much?) to keep them productive--so long as you can keep the rebellious slave factions in line.

I want to try a collective military power, but I want the option for diplomacy. Taking slaves requires xenophobia, so diplomacy will be impossible it seems. I hope i'm wrong.

You don't need xenophobia to take slaves--and can take slaves of your own species.

 

[EvilTom]

Although I don't think we've seen it in action, I doubt slaves will be able to move on their own even when migration is permitted. Per Developer Diary 26, "enslaved Pops are harder workers (but poorer scientists.)" The reason you'd want slaves instead of citizens is that you do not need to keep slaves happy (as much?) to keep them productive--so long as you can keep the rebellious slave factions in line.

If you have a xenophobic race with an alien race of slaves on the same planet do your base xenophobic race get upset (as they would if they were planted next to aliens).

 

[litlbear]

I would assume so. My biggest fear is just being locked out of diplomacy because I have slaves. I might just be collective but xenophilic, with no slaves or anything.

 

[Kimberly]

I recall hearing in one of the streams that xenophobic pops don't mind living next to enslaved aliens.

 

[grumphie]

collectivists don't mind BEING slaves as munch for the greater good and all - doesnt say aything about their slaves feelings about it. individualists OTOH hate being slaves.

xenophobes might reject slavery for their own kind, but don't mind filthy xenos being ensalved. the reverse for xenophiles - even if they LOVE slavery they don't want to enslave their space-friends that dont floow their beliefs as much.

 

[EvilTom]

I have thought there isn't a way to have a decadent individualist society that thinks that they are the top dog-elite, but that all other people are beneath them and are slaves at best or dead at worst. But this society would be xenophobic, individualistic and materialist... but an individualistic society in this game doesn't allow slavery. So then I guess they would be neutral in the collective/indivudalist thing.

On the other hand... if you enslaved fanatical collectivist aliens... do they not mind it's not their own government they're being enslaved for?

 

[Seirkins]

I have thought there isn't a way to have a decadent individualist society that thinks that they are the top dog-elite, but that all other people are beneath them and are slaves at best or dead at worst. But this society would be xenophobic, individualistic and materialist... but an individualistic society in this game doesn't allow slavery. So then I guess they would be neutral in the collective/indivudalist thing.

On the other hand... if you enslaved fanatical collectivist aliens... do they not mind it's not their own government they're being enslaved for?

Believe they said the collectivists in general are pretty content with being slaves, but there wasn't any specific statements regarding whether it's government specific. I imagine that they're content with their lot in life in general if the pops ethos is Collectivist, regardless of the government that they're serving.