France seems to get beaten up quite often now, it depends how those initial AI rivals/alliances fall really. But long term, unless the player moves into the territory, then usually Burgundy forms France again and it's back to being all powerful.
I've not seen the Ottomans collapse in 1.12 yet and I can't imagine how that would happen either, without player involvement. If you've been beating them in wars that might be it, the Ottomans do get a mission to take Wein for a quick Westernisation, but I don't know whether the AI makes a lot of effort to get it. In my last few games they've been happy to play how they always have, going south and east.
I've not seen the Ottomans collapse in 1.12 yet and I can't imagine how that would happen either, without player involvement. If you've been beating them in wars that might be it, the Ottomans do get a mission to take Wein for a quick Westernisation, but I don't know whether the AI makes a lot of effort to get it. In my last few games they've been happy to play how they always have, going south and east.