I just want to note the irony in the fact that, despite discouraging save scumming being a design goal of HBS, in literally the first 3rd party lets play we see the guy is save scumming.
@CohhCarnage Streaming tomorrow too
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From a marketing pov, streamer's goal is to project fun to his/her viewers and not necessarily to play optimally or even to educate the viewers on game mechanic. His personality, enjoyment of the game and sub numbers are FAR FAR more important than his knowledge of the game. Yes, I was cringing through the stream too but as long as he doesn't act like an ass and show BT under bad light, he can do whatever he wants.
His ringing endorsement at the end trumps all the screams of "he's not playing optimally!". Again, he's not here to teach people how to play BT.
His ringing endorsement at the end trumps all the screams of "he's not playing optimally!". Again, he's not here to teach people how to play BT.
Well.... They tried.
I think they may have reduced it somewhat but eliminating save-scumming was always going to be a pie in the sky idea.- Shane
There is another thread where Adarael said he was LITERALLY working on fixing something in mission two while Cohh was streaming that very mission. So the build the streamers got was not the final product.
Also I believe that they have a specific NDA that says they can stream any missions and content up to a specific mission liberty of something or other. I don't believe he said that his version of the game only went up that far, just that he can't show that mission or anything beyond that point.
Also I believe that they have a specific NDA that says they can stream any missions and content up to a specific mission liberty of something or other. I don't believe he said that his version of the game only went up that far, just that he can't show that mission or anything beyond that point.
It was a good stream and got me hooked for the campaign. Cant wait to see how his next stream(s) are going and how my will be different. About feeling betrayed: you got to play the Beta for months, now Cohh is just a part of their marketing tool and just judging from this thread, it was successful. You will get to play what you backed - a complete, mostly bug free game (which his wasnt, even though it wasnt a big deal, just very minor problems)
I won't lie, I'd _love_ to get my hands on the build CohhCarnage played and I _am_ yellow with envy. (I mean, that's probably every single soul on this forum, lol), but I totally get why they did what they did and I totally support that decision.
I also really liked his stream (even though there have been a [Mod edit: language] of facepalms and I may have made my neighbors panic once or twice with my shouting )
Oh, and anyone else got a bit of a Homeworld vibe from the game's intro with the slide/animation thingy?
Ok, now with all of that out of the way, would someone _please_ make that friggin calendar make move faster?
Please?
I also really liked his stream (even though there have been a [Mod edit: language] of facepalms and I may have made my neighbors panic once or twice with my shouting
)Oh, and anyone else got a bit of a Homeworld vibe from the game's intro with the slide/animation thingy?
Ok, now with all of that out of the way, would someone _please_ make that friggin calendar make move faster?
Please?
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I hadn't thought of Homeworld specifically, but it was seriously impressive. I always appreciate when a medium can say so much with so few words.
I fully support the high audience count streamers reaching as many potential customers and converting them to BT. Selfishly I want to see the entire Battletech universe in all mediums make a wildly successful come back.I won't lie, I'd _love_ to get my hands on the build CohhCarnage played and I _am_ yellow with envy. (I mean, that's probably every single soul on this forum, lol), but I totally get why they did what they did and I totally support that decision.
I also really liked his stream (even though there have been a f**kton of facepalms and I may have made my neighbors panic once or twice with my shouting
Oh, and anyone else got a bit of a Homeworld vibe from the game's intro with the slide/animation thingy?
Ok, now with all of that out of the way, would someone _please_ make that friggin calendar make move faster?
Please?
Stuffed Mech plushies for toddlers and Kamea Arano action figures with the judo chop feature! On top of CGL success and PGI and HBS showing growth and development in their products.
Bring it all on.....
Can't watch the spoiler streams myself though. I have found the discipline to avoid unwrapping the surprise gift this game will be in advance.
Watching other people stream the game a month in advance when I've been waiting on it for like 2 years can really test one's patience. But I agree that those streamers ultimately serve to make Battletech a bigger success which in turn leads to more content for us. They're not taking anything away from us, they're adding to the cause.
And I loved Cohh's stream. The most important thing was that he conveyed how much he enjoyed playing it. The guy was having tons of fun despite making blunders, it was infectious. This is what strangers to the game need to see, this is what will want them to buy the game. Cohh didn't get mad about his mistakes, he didn't whine about "so much text!". Instead he had his eyes fixed on the screen and a grin on his face whenever he discovered something new. We need more streams like his. Even if the waiting kills us.
And I loved Cohh's stream. The most important thing was that he conveyed how much he enjoyed playing it. The guy was having tons of fun despite making blunders, it was infectious. This is what strangers to the game need to see, this is what will want them to buy the game. Cohh didn't get mad about his mistakes, he didn't whine about "so much text!". Instead he had his eyes fixed on the screen and a grin on his face whenever he discovered something new. We need more streams like his. Even if the waiting kills us.
I tripped over this a few weeks ago entirely by accident. Even being a multi-decades long fan of Battletech I somehow
was unaware of HBS working on this project so I went Deluxe as a minor form of self-flagellation for my ignorance. Still, I'll be hoping that I can redeem myself by offering "Better late than never" ?
He also at no point blamed the game for his own mistakes!Watching other people stream the game a month in advance when I've been waiting on it for like 2 years can really test one's patience. But I agree that those streamers ultimately serve to make Battletech a bigger success which in turn leads to more content for us. They're not taking anything away from us, they're adding to the cause.
And I loved Cohh's stream. The most important thing was that he conveyed how much he enjoyed playing it. The guy was having tons of fun despite making blunders, it was infectious. This is what strangers to the game need to see, this is what will want them to buy the game. Cohh didn't get mad about his mistakes, he didn't whine about "so much text!". Instead he had his eyes fixed on the screen and a grin on his face whenever he discovered something new. We need more streams like his. Even if the waiting kills us.
When I signed up to be a Beta Backer it was clear I would get an early version of part of the game. I got that last year. Never did it say I would get the whole game earlier than others. SO I am OK with them sending a portion of the game out to people who can spur interest. I am about halfway through the twitch stream and I would say he was a great choice as a person to do this "advanced Marketing".
Ironman is for Serious Players only, and that's fine. Being too strict about it would've driven players away. Did you see the look on Cohh's face when he thought it was Ironman because it didn't let him name his save slots?
Ironman is for Serious Players only, and that's fine. Being too strict about it would've driven players away. Did you see the look on Cohh's face when he thought it was Ironman because it didn't let him name his save slots?
Yeah, I agree. A proper ironman mode is one thing - I hope we get that post-launch.
But I always thought, and said on the forums, that as a more general design goal trying to reduce people's desire to reload was a bad idea. Impossible to achieve, and not desirable to achieve even if you could.
i dont know, not enough data yet i think.
1) first, what he really did was replay the mission in its entireity because of a wipe. I usually view save scumming as saving after every move to influence the RNG outcomes.
2) he wiped because he was still learning the systems. once he learned how the game played, try #2 was signfiicantly better. As one learns the game mechanics this would be less of a problem.
3) so, we need to see how the game plays if, on a mission, you loose a single mech or a pilot. Does the average player want to keep going or not? I imagine if you wipe an entire lance, you'll probably want to restart that mission - so in that sense its not truly ironman, but does the game encourage you to take some losses and keep going. THats what i'm looking/hoping for.
I said, and I think you agreed, that if you want to make Ironman a thing you must incentivize it. Well, we just got an example of that NOT happening.
It doesn't bother me at all that Cohh wasn't down for Ironman, I'm just saying he would've been *more* down with it if it unlocked an achievement or some other reward (for example, a +2% value increase in random salvage, or such).
Save scumming can obviously be defined in lots of ways, but I don't think it should be limited to just gaming RNG. Reloading to revise strategies, avoid mistakes etc would I think be generally accepted as save scumming.
But the problem is that there isn't really a way to encourage people not to reload if they want to play that way. Either losses matter (in which case many people will reload outside a proper ironman mode), or they don't (in which case there are less interesting choices making people want to load the game in the first place).
The core problem is that people don't generally reload only because the game is already effectively lost. They reload when they feel they could have, or need to, do better. Which some of the reloads in these early streams prove IMO.
I suppose it feels "wrong" if you feel that you were contractually obligated to get first dibs on the game, but it doesn't change the fact that this was to get more interest in people who haven't seen or heard of the game from the population of people who watch streamers. Become a streamer with a million views yourself and you may get to play the game early, too!
If anything think of it this way: they're getting more people in, which means more support for HBS, which means more content down the line because there's more people excited to see what the devs can pull and willing to throw money at them to make it happen. "In success" etc. etc.
Oh I want more people in but my thing of it is this, as we are wanting more sales how hard would it have been to get it to these people, these streamers, back when the Beta release was going on and we were trying to get more folks to buy in back then? It is a tiny bit of forward planning, thought and consideration. They would have been involved in the Beta, we would have gotten more then as well as now, they would not look like such embarassing crap trying to play the game, and them putting it out the footage and story line amonth early would not be as big a deal as it would not look so blatantly inconsiderate of those who have supported Harebrained Schemes in all their games for years as well as having invested in the kickstarter. This feels like a disregard and disrespect or a lack of basic planning and logistics ability with someone in PR possibly needing to be replaced.
Some people enjoy watching a personality they know discovering a game in real time. It's not so much Reading Rainbow, where the streamer's job is to explain and educate the audience. It's like renting a game with a friend and learning it together.
You're fundamentally misinterpreting the purpose of these streams.