Cobelligerents and Warnings

[TigaLN]

I'm currently playing a game as Lorraine. Since I'm not allied to the Emperor, I avoid Unlawful territory by declaring on an ally of a country I want to take land from and cobelligerenting them. I focus on them and peace them out, not peacing the war leader until I'm done coding.

I want to take land from Switzerland so I plan attacking one of their allies and cobelligerenting Switzerland. However, Castile got the Burgundian Inheritance and as warned me. They currently border Switzerland. If I cobelligerent Switzerland will they join the war?

 

[atwix]

I'm currently playing a game as Lorraine. Since I'm not allied to the Emperor, I avoid Unlawful territory by declaring on an ally of a country I want to take land from and cobelligerenting them. I focus on them and peace them out, not peacing the war leader until I'm done coding.

I want to take land from Switzerland so I plan attacking one of their allies and cobelligerenting Switzerland. However, Castile got the Burgundian Inheritance and as warned me. They currently border Switzerland. If I cobelligerent Switzerland will they join the war?

now there is a good question.

I think they will if you make them full cobelligerent (vink on switzerland in declare war) yes, but never really tried this out.

declaring a nation full co-belligerent is in all essence a direct declaration of war against that nation with all effects included. So I'm 95% sure it will activate calling in Spain if you make them full cobelligerent.

 

[Aythne]

now there is a good question.

I think they will if you make them full cobelligerent (vink on switzerland in declare war) yes, but never really tried this out.

declaring a nation full co-belligerent is in all essence a direct declaration of war against that nation with all effects included. So I'm 95% sure it will activate calling in Spain if you make them full cobelligerent.

So it's far more complicated than that. (Of course, this is Paradox!)

Warnings and Guarantees work differently with co-belligerence, and Vassals mess the whole thing up entirely.

In the case in question, the Warning is irrelevant. Only if Spain borders the Primary Defender does it get to join the war. So you're fine to eat Switzerland.

That being said, if Switzerland was being guaranteed by Spain, co-belligerence would drag them in to the war.

If Switzerland had a Vassal, however, you could declare on the vassal and ignore both Warnings and Guarantees, despite technically the overlord being the Primary Defender. (Caveat, as long as the Warning country didn't border the vassal as well.)

Yay! (Also I tested this as of five minutes ago to make sure.)

 

[Gratak]

declaring a nation full co-belligerent is in all essence a direct declaration of war against that nation with all effects included. So I'm 95% sure it will activate calling in Spain if you make them full cobelligerent.

No. In addition to what Aythne said there are more differences:
One thing that I recently tested is attacking into the HRE: Attack a non-HRE that is allied to an HRE-member and you can set the HRE-member co-belligerent without having to fight the emperor.

 

[TigaLN]

So it's far more complicated than that. (Of course, this is Paradox!)

Warnings and Guarantees work differently with co-belligerence, and Vassals mess the whole thing up entirely.

In the case in question, the Warning is irrelevant. Only if Spain borders the Primary Defender does it get to join the war. So you're fine to eat Switzerland.

That being said, if Switzerland was being guaranteed by Spain, co-belligerence would drag them in to the war.

If Switzerland had a Vassal, however, you could declare on the vassal and ignore both Warnings and Guarantees, despite technically the overlord being the Primary Defender. (Caveat, as long as the Warning country didn't border the vassal as well.)

Yay! (Also I tested this as of five minutes ago to make sure.)

Thanks. I had to ask because there was nothing on it in the wiki.

 

[Aythne]

Thanks. I had to ask because there was nothing on it in the wiki.

It's a pleasure! Just be glad Warleader Switching is no longer a thing!