Coaxing Japan into War

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I am playing Australia (v1.06 1936 Scenario) and Japan has just declared war on China (1937), I decided to see what happened if I sent troops to China and occupied strategic provinces, partly to hold up Japan and partly to temp them to declar war on the empire. I obtained military access from China but retained control of my forces which are not officialy at war with Japan yet. Nothing has happened so far. Japan seems to skirt around my forces and the provinces they occupy. Does anyone know if it is possible to coaxe Japan into war this early and how?

 

[Thistletooth]

I am playing Australia (v1.06 1936 Scenario) and Japan has just declared war on China (1937), I decided to see what happened if I sent troops to China and occupied strategic provinces, partly to hold up Japan and partly to temp them to declar war on the empire. I obtained military access from China but retained control of my forces which are not officialy at war with Japan yet. Nothing has happened so far. Japan seems to skirt around my forces and the provinces they occupy. Does anyone know if it is possible to coaxe Japan into war this early and how?

1. If you are sending troops to China, but not giving them to China as expeditionary forces, then they won't be getting involved in combat as long as you are at peace. If you give them to China, you'll have to fight with Chiang to maintain effective control over them, and...well...you'll probably get slapped around by the Japanese. Japan starts with slightly superior tech than Australia, and their vastly superior industry will outproduce and outresearch yours easily, reducing you to at best an annoyance. At least they should, if they know what they're doing.

And since you aren't at war, I wouldn't imagine that the AI would "skirt around" your forces, since they don't pose any threat at all to them. Of course, knowing as little as I know about these things, the AI may be coded to watch for any number of units in a given province (whether they belong to a hostile or not) when deciding where to invade next. But if your troops are not putting themselves in any risk, yet you are scaring the Japanese away from certain key provinces, I don't see what could stop you from building a Great Wall of Aussies to block off all Japanese access to Southern China or anywhere you don't want them to go.

You don't want to be that gamey, do you? Do the right thing, send your soldiers to the Chinese as expeditionary forces (which is very, very gamey already), and at least let them die for a reason.

2. There is no way for you to force Japan into war, at least not that I can think of. If I remember correctly, there is no event that would trigger a Japanese DoW on Britain, the Netherlands, the Philippines, or the USA in plain 1.06. Instead, a Japanese DoW would be hardcoded, and I seriously doubt you can trigger it. So...short of going into the savegame files, making yourself heavily Communist or Fascist, triggering a regime change, and declaring war on Japan yourself (dragging your allies in as well), you'll have to be content with building your military in preparation for that special day.

P.S. If you focus on Long-Ranged Submarines and Improved Naval Bombers, you just might defeat the entire Imperial Navy single-handedly, and then follow up with a conquest of the Home Islands. I've done it.

 

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1. If you are sending troops to China, but not giving them to China as expeditionary forces, then they won't be getting involved in combat as long as you are at peace. If you give them to China, you'll have to fight with Chiang to maintain effective control over them, and...well...you'll probably get slapped around by the Japanese. Japan starts with slightly superior tech than Australia, and their vastly superior industry will outproduce and outresearch yours easily, reducing you to at best an annoyance. At least they should, if they know what they're doing.

And since you aren't at war, I wouldn't imagine that the AI would "skirt around" your forces, since they don't pose any threat at all to them. Of course, knowing as little as I know about these things, the AI may be coded to watch for any number of units in a given province (whether they belong to a hostile or not) when deciding where to invade next. But if your troops are not putting themselves in any risk, yet you are scaring the Japanese away from certain key provinces, I don't see what could stop you from building a Great Wall of Aussies to block off all Japanese access to Southern China or anywhere you don't want them to go.

You don't want to be that gamey, do you? Do the right thing, send your soldiers to the Chinese as expeditionary forces (which is very, very gamey already), and at least let them die for a reason.

2. There is no way for you to force Japan into war, at least not that I can think of. If I remember correctly, there is no event that would trigger a Japanese DoW on Britain, the Netherlands, the Philippines, or the USA in plain 1.06. Instead, a Japanese DoW would be hardcoded, and I seriously doubt you can trigger it. So...short of going into the savegame files, making yourself heavily Communist or Fascist, triggering a regime change, and declaring war on Japan yourself (dragging your allies in as well), you'll have to be content with building your military in preparation for that special day.

P.S. If you focus on Long-Ranged Submarines and Improved Naval Bombers, you just might defeat the entire Imperial Navy single-handedly, and then follow up with a conquest of the Home Islands. I've done it.

Thanks for the info. The reason I placed my troops there was to see what happened. I dont think I am scaring Japan off, just havent monitered it for long enough. As you said if they wanted that province they could just walk in and take it. I am thinking that I would then have to move out as I would be out of supply. I was hoping that there was a way of coaxing Japan into war early, so that the British navy could deal with them before they get tied up in Europe, pity! My first option was to keep Japan out of it but without any di this is not an option. Oh well! Plan C becons?

 

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Japan War

If a human player plays as Japan, is there a way for them to declare war on china/uk without joining the axis? I've tried twice and I can't yet figure it out, the declare war button is greyed out in all cases until after I accept Germany's alliance offer. Is this working as normal or am I doing something wrong? Thanks!

 

[Svend Karlson]

If a human player plays as Japan, is there a way for them to declare war on china/uk without joining the axis? I've tried twice and I can't yet figure it out, the declare war button is greyed out in all cases until after I accept Germany's alliance offer. Is this working as normal or am I doing something wrong? Thanks!

If you are a democratic country, the declare war button will be greyed out until your war entry reaches 100%.

There is an event with Japan, very early on in 1936 called the 2-2-6 Incident. It gives you the chance to turn Fascist, if you choose to do so you also get +10 dissent (hence why you may not have selected it), but it will let you warmonger just as much as you like.

 

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It would be interesting to know what happened in your game there.

Having access through China, but then letting the province get taken by Japan with whom you don't have access... .. Tell us what happens to your troops if that happens? Are they able to march into the rest of Japan territory? Are they unable to move? And they starve to death?

 

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The forces you sent over will not even fight. When the japanese attack that province, your troops will not be involved in any fighting and well just sit there. If the japanese win and take the province, then your troops will be out of supply and slowly begin to die.

 

[Thistletooth]

If you are a democratic country, the declare war button will be greyed out until your war entry reaches 100%.

There is an event with Japan, very early on in 1936 called the 2-2-6 Incident. It gives you the chance to turn Fascist, if you choose to do so you also get +10 dissent (hence why you may not have selected it), but it will let you warmonger just as much as you like.

Of course, you can be a little more historical and wait until 1937 and The China Incident. That will also turn you fascist, but I don't think the dissent hit will be as bad.

 

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It would be interesting to know what happened in your game there.

Having access through China, but then letting the province get taken by Japan with whom you don't have access... .. Tell us what happens to your troops if that happens? Are they able to march into the rest of Japan territory? Are they unable to move? And they starve to death?

Hi Dayvit781, well last night I continued my assualt on Japan with little Australia. Thistletooth and jmpt were correct in saying that Japan ignored my troops occupying Chinese provences and went for the Chinese units, so I ceded control of my units to thr AI of China via send expeditionary forces and as they were allready dug in and quality troops in the form of Mountain Engineers and Marines with Artillery attachments, and although they were few in numbers they, had been upgraded with several upgrades and therefore, drove the Japanise back dispite them anilating the Chinese Militia. Now it remained to be seen whether the AI would deploy them inteligently which it has done so far in fortified mountain passes, thus blocking of the whole Northen front. I am hoping this will delay and distract the Japanese long enough for me to strengthan my Navel Bombers and Navy before the big crunch in 1939.