Coalitions what?

[hitchens]

I've noticed this lately, someone forms a coalition against me and I improve relations with them and then many years after sevral other countries joins the coalition for no reason at all.

Example : I'm playing France and took land from Burgundy and Savoy, Ultrech, England, Milan forms coalition. I Improve relations and Ultrech who is leader leaves. I move on to Milan and while improving relations (the coalition has been there for a few years) 7 more nations joins years after the events that gave me the AE....including the papal states whos far away.



So wtf?

 

[Pornek]

I've noticed this lately, someone forms a coalition against me and I improve relations with them and then many years after sevral other countries joins the coalition for no reason at all.

Example : I'm playing France and took land from Burgundy and Savoy, Ultrech, England, Milan forms coalition. I Improve relations and Ultrech who is leader leaves. I move on to Milan and while improving relations (the coalition has been there for a few years) 7 more nations joins years after the events that gave me the AE....including the papal states whos far away.



So wtf?

Afaik they only join when at peace, that might be the issue here ?

 

[hitchens]

Afaik they only join when at peace, that might be the issue here ?

I didnt know that and maybe, but I've been at peace for some time. Hmm.
edit : Also the papal states are only at -41.

 

[hitchens]

Burgundy decleared war and Castille did not join, yet theres no call to arms option???

 

[unmerged(88013)]

That's true. An outraged nation will only join a coalition once its wars end. This can be very useful because it gives you time to improve relations with them. Once relations are positive, they'll never join from what I've seen.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

You can't join a coalition with a truce active either. If you stagger conquests you can gain a lot of ground as a result, but going into 100's of AE carries the risk of getting blasted to smithereens by non-stop separate coalition war dogpiling and rebels if you miscalculate and can't keep pace. I rather like that change .

 

[atwix]

it made truce breaking and splitting coalitions a lot easier, now that all nations leave a coalition if you defeat them in a coalition war.. They can't rejoin it, until their truce is up..

A good player immedialtely can see how this is very VERY abusable.

But, you can avoid any coalition whatsoever if you use the good old Ming trick. Or did they fix that "offer to cancel protectorate eradicates ae worldwide " bug finally?

 

[Freudia]

You can't join a coalition with a truce active either. If you stagger conquests you can gain a lot of ground as a result, but going into 100's of AE carries the risk of getting blasted to smithereens by non-stop separate coalition war dogpiling and rebels if you miscalculate and can't keep pace. I rather like that change .

I like it too. The game no longer gets bogged down into mindless "x nation vs The World" slogfests just to take land the size of Saxony. It's a good change.