Coalitions should be divided into multiple purposes, detailed in a specific menu

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Instead of being a single, all-encompassing line in the diplomatics. There should have multiple coalitions to better represent each country reason to be in part of a coalition.

Think of the "Factions" tab in CK2, that also gained its own menu and maybe one will get an idea of what I mean. There vassals, sometimes with divergent objectives, have something akin to limited alliances to demand common goals from their liege. Ultimately, after achieving a % of the liege's military strength, they'll try to enforce a demand, and should the ruler deny it then it's war.

The obvious difference is that coalitions have external members, but that could be worked out. Instead of % of the liege's force you would see a "war eagerness", reflecting the total disposition of the coalition to start the war. This way you could prepare yourself to coalitions wars, maybe even solving it diplomatically before war breaks. The interface could also give some useful info such as war military level and approximate military strength of the countries in the coalition.


Examples of coalitions purposes: Aggressive Expansion (akin to what is right now); Conquest/Colonization of the Americas/Africa (e. g. England allying with Aztec to return cores conquered by the Spanish to reduce Spain's trade power); Religious/Culture aggression; et cetera. Maybe some specific ones for HRE and others. Example, "Release the electors: Austria and some of HRE vassals are not satisfied with France gaining emperor status by vassalizing four of the seven electors. The Habsburg won't simply leave or be left as a mere member of an empire that should be rightfully theirs. Prepare for war."



Also as additional suggestions:

- You should minister the participation in your own coalitions, ultimately deciding when, or if, you should go to war. There would be no penalties for delaying your participation in a small period (up to three months maybe?) but you would gain diplomatic malus for longer periods. Should you not join the coalition war at all (or after a determined period. 12 months?) you'd gain penalties associated with not answering a call of war from an ally, but to a greater extent. I. e., a greater prestige loss and diplomatic penalties with the other members of the coalition.

- The number of coalitions one country could have at one time against multiple countries, and the possibility of joining a coalition with its leader being outside your continent, could be determined by your diplomatic level, or any other relevant factor. That will allow you to have multiple coalitions against multiple countries and would restrict, for example, Vijayanagarg forming an implausible coalition with Inca and Congo against Portuguese expansionism.


So what do you think? Does anyone see this system working?
 

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I think the factions tab in CK2 is the perfect example of how coalitions could be done better in EU4. This could definitely take the mechanic from new and interesting but occasionally problematic to really great.
 

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so u basically want to make coa wars as regular ones...:wacko:

Well, almost that. Give it extra penalties, make it a problem in a peace deal ("coalition member -10") but let the possibility to make peace possible. A nation may change its mind after its country is occupied, manpower is zeroed, war exhaustion is on the rise, rebels are breaking the country etc. Maybe entering the coalition was a bad idea from the start, but coalition members are sovereign states after all (unless if vassals or jr member of pu, of course) and signing a coalition pact shouldn't change that. Making peace with a coalition member would give an extra layer of diplomatic relations, making it more complex and realistic.

Coalition wars should be a mean to various ends, not an end in itself. Right now limiting peace in coalition wars is frustrating both as a member and as a target.
At least make us be able to separate peace with the nation that starts a coalition war. Ah one province Papal States who starts a coalition war only to have France become the warleader one day 1 and let them fight it out for them, you should be spanked for it.

Agreed, that's just frustrating. But should that be implemented, you'll have to consider that maybe France have it's own reasons to continue the war, even if they haven't started it .
 
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Any UI implementation that allowed me to know exactly why someone has joined the coalition, how close they are to leaving it, etc., would be fantastic.
 

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I'd like to see some kind diversification for coalitions, I'd don't know if I'd go so far as factions as I think larger empires need to have some internal conflict added to the game.