Coalitions and Colonial Nations

[JSparks101]

As Spain, big European coalition formed (I do own all of Iberia, half of the British Isles, Netherlands, North Africa, Southern Italy and Genoa plus 4 vassals in Northern Italy, vassal Byzantium with all of Greece and half of Asia Minor, France in PU, 3 vassals in England to conquer England, and a Colonial subject in most of the Americas) and it makes sense they all hate me. P.S. it ain't even 1600!

My question is, if I declare on Englands soon to form colonial nation in America, who will be called in? I assume England will join but will that call the coalition? I could probably beat it but I'm constantly struggling with manpower.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Aythne]

If England is in the coalition, then yes all members will join.

If England is not in the coalition because of a truce with you, then you might have a few days to declare on them when the truce expires, before they join.

Otherwise, see if you can attack an ally of England who is not in the coalition. As long as you do not make England a co-belligerent, the coalition will not be called in. (Though if your do, at least they will be separate peace-able, not normally the case with coalitions.)

 

[JSparks101]

If England is in the coalition, then yes all members will join.

If England is not in the coalition because of a truce with you, then you might have a few days to declare on them when the truce expires, before they join.

Otherwise, see if you can attack an ally of England who is not in the coalition. As long as you do not make England a co-belligerent, the coalition will not be called in. (Though if your do, at least they will be separate peace-able, not normally the case with coalitions.)

Could I get one of my subjects to declare the war. Can I then join them? Will England join them? If so will the coalition?

 

[JSparks101]

Oh, and all of the HRE (all three of England's allies) and most of the rest of Europe hates me, excluding Ottoderps, Russia and Denmark/Norway/Sweden.

 

[Aythne]

Could I get one of my subjects to declare the war. Can I then join them? Will England join them? If so will the coalition?

Short answer: no.

Long answer: yes, but it's not likely to help you in this case.

Most subjects cannot declare war. Tributaries can, but if you're Castille with tributaries then you're probably not on the forums asking how coalitions work. And either way, you can't direct who they attack.

Colonial nations can fight other nations in colonial regions, without calling in overseas overlords. So, technically you could get one of your CNs to fight one of England's, if they border each other. Can't remember the exact details for how you and England would join that war, though.

Oh, and all of the HRE (all three of England's allies) and most of the rest of Europe hates me, excluding Ottoderps, Russia and Denmark/Norway/Sweden.

Hate, or are part of a coalition?

 

[JSparks101]

Short answer: no.

Long answer: yes, but it's not likely to help you in this case.

Most subjects cannot declare war. Tributaries can, but if you're Castille with tributaries then you're probably not on the forums asking how coalitions work. And either way, you can't direct who they attack.

Colonial nations can fight other nations in colonial regions, without calling in overseas overlords. So, technically you could get one of your CNs to fight one of England's, if they border each other. Can't remember the exact details for how you and England would join that war, though.



Hate, or are part of a coalition?

Okay, makes sense. I've decided on improving relations with those I want to attack (currently England and Ottomans).

Part of Coalition when I say hate.

FYI, I have over 2000 hours in EU4 but I don't play 'hardcore' (never done a world conquest, hardly ever done ironman etc), I usually do not expand much in Europe. I much prefer playing colonial or Asia/Africa. I was just lucky that I got France as my PU so I thought I'd take advantage of 70k troops to kill all the things.

 

[deathbypie]

While selecting a casus beli to declare war, you can see details about who will join and why on the left side. This works for coalitions too.

 

[JSparks101]

While selecting a casus beli to declare war, you can see details about who will join and why on the left side. This works for coalitions too.

Indeed. My issue is more the declaring on a colonial subject, bringing in their overlord. The question is whether the coalition will then join or not.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

While selecting a casus beli to declare war, you can see details about who will join and why on the left side. This works for coalitions too.

Actually it doesn't work, the UI lies about what will happen when you declare war on a coalition and has lied for years IRL. I gave up after the 5th "coalitions not cobelligerent" bug report or so.

You can also still get weird interactions, like making a coalition member cobelligerent while declaring on a non-coalition member. This cause the weird interaction of bringing in the coalition, but allowing separate peace since it is not a coalition war...the pre-war tooltip does not tell you that this will be the result.

 

[JSparks101]

Just to end as sorted.

I declared war on the Thirteen Colonies which did bring in Great Britain and her 3 German allies. I could not separate peace anyone, but took all but one of Britain's provinces in America and all her colonial subjects apart from one province (turned out to be a colony, so the colonial nation auto finished it, made it their capital but are now coring it......) so that I can kill them again. Dunno if this is intended but it is a good work around against the colonisers in a coalition.

Thanks for ya helps!