Coalition Wars and countries that don't exist

[Golladan]

So I'm having a rather weird game.

I'm playing Tuscany, and going to form Italy for the achievement. But what I'm doing has no relevance to what is going on, so moving on.

Almost 4 years into the game Austria enters a PU under Aragon (oh boy. time to kissy kissy with Castile. Well Aragon being Aragon will probably lose the union). So Anhalt becomes the emperor.

Burgundy being Burgundy gets into one of his pointless wars, and manages to get 2 big coalitions formed against him.

So Venice comes and calls a coalition war against Burgundy. Brings in Gelre, Alsace, Bremen, Utrecht, The Hansa, England, Savoy, Trier, Oldenburg and Naxos.

Then Cologne calls a second coalition war against Burgundy. Bringing in Milan, Ferrara, Switzerland, and Genoa.

Burgundy is also in some war with France. I think over Provence's Maine.

During these wars, Burgundian inheritance kicks in. France gets his stuff. Since the emperor is just a 1 province minor, The Palatinate is lucky (or unlucky I guess) to get the rest.

And now The Palatinate is stuck as defender in the 2 XXXX-Burgundian Punitive Wars.

I don't know if the Palatinate (along with Castille and The Palatinate's vassal Cleves) was originally involved in those wars on Burgundy's side. But shouldn't these kinds of wars just end when the country that was being punished in the first place disappears?

I bet they're going to force The Palatinate to release Burgundy >.>


PS.: The fearsome Ulm declared a war all by themselves against Bavaria and Trier and won.

 

[Sasuau]

Yeah. When I played as Austria I inherited Burgundy when they were at war with some big bad bullies and of course, I was dragged in as the only participant on the former Burgundian side. No idea why. Maybe the CB is tied to Burgundy's capital and when you inherit Burgundy suddenly the other countries are declaring war for your newly gained province. I can't really remember if the coalition CB has the capital as wargoal though. If you vassalize someone who is the target of a CB you get drawn into that war so the CB must somehow be tied to something in Burgundy that is then yours.

Happy new year!

 

[Golladan]

Venice forced the Palatinate to release Burgundy (lol).

And Cologne ate Cleves.

The wargoal was over Lothringen, which I guess became Burgundy's capital in that small time period between France getting his lands and someone else getting Burgundy's.

Also. Fear Ulm. They are now taking on Augsburg and Mainz. And winning.

 

[Kraxis]

I have seen more oddities, or rather more odd oddities than that.

In my Brandenburg game Austria got a huge alliance together (including me, but I wisely accepted the call but sat on the sidelines not participating) and got into a punitive war against The Palatinate, who had become an absolutely dreadful German power (about 12-15 provinces). All good and well when The Palatinate got her allies into the war. 30 Years War started a bit early (1470s). *ahem*
So the two huge alliances begin to maneuver for the optimal position before engaging in actual war, and I sit there almost wanting to get some popcorn for the huge showdown (since I'm allied to Austria, the leader, I can see the entire war). But just as some 50k on both sides barrel down on each other for a huge slugfest in Würtemberg, The Palatinate becomes a junior member in a PU with Denmark. Instantly they are out of the war.

Suddenly two massive alliances are fighting a war against each other with the actual goal being invalid. The warscore even says that neither sides holds the province in question. For 20 odd years the two sides fight. And at the end Burgundy has the event and Hesse inherits it all but a one or two provinces in the lower Burgundian enclave.
Interestingly Hesse is involved in another war against The Palatinate and Denmark, and they end up doing what the two alliances could not. In fact she fights her war to the end, secures a peace, gets dismembered by a coalition and reduced to her original size all before the 20 Year War ended (Austria eventually won despite having no manpower or troops left, but neither did Castille, Portugal, Bavaria, Bohemia, Hungary and pretty much every other southern power).

I must admit that first I laughed, then I stared, and finally I cried a little. Half of Catholic Europe was ruined by a war that never really should have happened (the entire reason vanished before anyone clashed in battle).
It was a bit like two guys starting a fight over a girl, but before the first punch is launched, she takes off with a third guy laughing as she goes.

 

[Tyber109]

I have seen more oddities, or rather more odd oddities than that.

In my Brandenburg game Austria got a huge alliance together (including me, but I wisely accepted the call but sat on the sidelines not participating) and got into a punitive war against The Palatinate, who had become an absolutely dreadful German power (about 12-15 provinces). All good and well when The Palatinate got her allies into the war. 30 Years War started a bit early (1470s). *ahem*
So the two huge alliances begin to maneuver for the optimal position before engaging in actual war, and I sit there almost wanting to get some popcorn for the huge showdown (since I'm allied to Austria, the leader, I can see the entire war). But just as some 50k on both sides barrel down on each other for a huge slugfest in Würtemberg, The Palatinate becomes a junior member in a PU with Denmark. Instantly they are out of the war.

Suddenly two massive alliances are fighting a war against each other with the actual goal being invalid. The warscore even says that neither sides holds the province in question. For 20 odd years the two sides fight. And at the end Burgundy has the event and Hesse inherits it all but a one or two provinces in the lower Burgundian enclave.
Interestingly Hesse is involved in another war against The Palatinate and Denmark, and they end up doing what the two alliances could not. In fact she fights her war to the end, secures a peace, gets dismembered by a coalition and reduced to her original size all before the 20 Year War ended (Austria eventually won despite having no manpower or troops left, but neither did Castille, Portugal, Bavaria, Bohemia, Hungary and pretty much every other southern power).

I must admit that first I laughed, then I stared, and finally I cried a little. Half of Catholic Europe was ruined by a war that never really should have happened (the entire reason vanished before anyone clashed in battle).
It was a bit like two guys starting a fight over a girl, but before the first punch is launched, she takes off with a third guy laughing as she goes.

this is hilarious.

 

[unmerged(463193)]

I have seen more oddities, or rather more odd oddities than that.

In my Brandenburg game Austria got a huge alliance together (including me, but I wisely accepted the call but sat on the sidelines not participating) and got into a punitive war against The Palatinate, who had become an absolutely dreadful German power (about 12-15 provinces). All good and well when The Palatinate got her allies into the war. 30 Years War started a bit early (1470s). *ahem*
So the two huge alliances begin to maneuver for the optimal position before engaging in actual war, and I sit there almost wanting to get some popcorn for the huge showdown (since I'm allied to Austria, the leader, I can see the entire war). But just as some 50k on both sides barrel down on each other for a huge slugfest in Würtemberg, The Palatinate becomes a junior member in a PU with Denmark. Instantly they are out of the war.

Suddenly two massive alliances are fighting a war against each other with the actual goal being invalid. The warscore even says that neither sides holds the province in question. For 20 odd years the two sides fight. And at the end Burgundy has the event and Hesse inherits it all but a one or two provinces in the lower Burgundian enclave.
Interestingly Hesse is involved in another war against The Palatinate and Denmark, and they end up doing what the two alliances could not. In fact she fights her war to the end, secures a peace, gets dismembered by a coalition and reduced to her original size all before the 20 Year War ended (Austria eventually won despite having no manpower or troops left, but neither did Castille, Portugal, Bavaria, Bohemia, Hungary and pretty much every other southern power).

I must admit that first I laughed, then I stared, and finally I cried a little. Half of Catholic Europe was ruined by a war that never really should have happened (the entire reason vanished before anyone clashed in battle).
It was a bit like two guys starting a fight over a girl, but before the first punch is launched, she takes off with a third guy laughing as she goes.

well i think i know what paradox employees will be working on this weekend...

 

[Director]

Making it happen more often?

This may be reasonable history but it is a terrific story - the sort of thing a game should produce.

 

[unmerged(184583)]

I have seen more oddities, or rather more odd oddities than that.

In my Brandenburg game Austria got a huge alliance together (including me, but I wisely accepted the call but sat on the sidelines not participating) and got into a punitive war against The Palatinate, who had become an absolutely dreadful German power (about 12-15 provinces). All good and well when The Palatinate got her allies into the war. 30 Years War started a bit early (1470s). *ahem*
So the two huge alliances begin to maneuver for the optimal position before engaging in actual war, and I sit there almost wanting to get some popcorn for the huge showdown (since I'm allied to Austria, the leader, I can see the entire war). But just as some 50k on both sides barrel down on each other for a huge slugfest in Würtemberg, The Palatinate becomes a junior member in a PU with Denmark. Instantly they are out of the war.

Suddenly two massive alliances are fighting a war against each other with the actual goal being invalid. The warscore even says that neither sides holds the province in question. For 20 odd years the two sides fight. And at the end Burgundy has the event and Hesse inherits it all but a one or two provinces in the lower Burgundian enclave.
Interestingly Hesse is involved in another war against The Palatinate and Denmark, and they end up doing what the two alliances could not. In fact she fights her war to the end, secures a peace, gets dismembered by a coalition and reduced to her original size all before the 20 Year War ended (Austria eventually won despite having no manpower or troops left, but neither did Castille, Portugal, Bavaria, Bohemia, Hungary and pretty much every other southern power).

I must admit that first I laughed, then I stared, and finally I cried a little. Half of Catholic Europe was ruined by a war that never really should have happened (the entire reason vanished before anyone clashed in battle).
It was a bit like two guys starting a fight over a girl, but before the first punch is launched, she takes off with a third guy laughing as she goes.

That isn't odd, that is common place, at least in my games. The funniest thing is the AI's don't even realize the wargoal is invalid and will continue to destroy each other endlessly until one or the other will concede defeat or worse. I had something similar happen in my portugal game, just sitting there minding my own business, check the ledger, low and behold I am number 1 in military power, because france, austria, burgundy, and spain destroyed each other, of course in some war nobody could have ever won.

I personally think the whole "length of war" modifier is junk. It does nothing but make this a game of total war.