CN's trigger for for Independence Wars

[TheDeadeye]

Does anyone actually know what the actual calculations and the logic are that CN's use in order to determine whether to declare independence wars or not.

I know it's linked to LD but the only guarantee that I see where CN's will declare independence wars is at 100% LD. Any other number between 50-99% seems to be just a placeholder as I have never seen a CN declare if not at 100.

Anyone have any different experiences? In my game the CN is allied to multiple other CN's and to super powers are supporting it's independence with a 250k+ force level whereas the overlord can barely scratch 12K together and yet they still don't declare. wtf?

 

[bradles0]

50%+LD means they are "rebellious" and will no longer give you money, and will accept support independance alliances from foreign nations

They will rebel whenever the AI thinks it can win the war for independance (so the usual allied forces/enemy forces/miltech check).

The reason you only see independance wars at 100%+LD is that the strength of allied forces in any possible independence war is factored into liberty desire (under strength comparison), so unless you're going crazy with developing them to lower LD or something they will always get 100%LB by the time they are willing to declare war.

 

[TheDeadeye]

50%+LD means they are "rebellious" and will no longer give you money, and will accept support independance alliances from foreign nations

They will rebel whenever the AI thinks it can win the war for independance (so the usual allied forces/enemy forces/miltech check).

The reason you only see independance wars at 100%+LD is that the strength of allied forces in any possible independence war is factored into liberty desire (under strength comparison), so unless you're going crazy with developing them to lower LD or something they will always get 100%LB by the time they are willing to declare war.

But the force comparison isn't factored in for CN's though for LD calculations where for other vassals it is. Have you seen any CN's declare independence wars below 100% LD? From a logical point (and from the mechanic that I understood is that a CN can declare an Independence War at 50+% LD when it feels it can win the war but something seems broken as even with an overwhelming alliance of allies vs the overlord, the CN still won't declare at anything below 100%LD.

 

[Zohtun]

There's always the option of disbanding your armies when you know you can raise them back quickly, letting them declare, then return your nation to full power and put those naughty children in time-out. You're the motherland for a reason