Clash of Nations 4

[unmerged(3158)]

Well if we have that much intrest in joining us, why not restart for them, since we only did get one session running. Restart, have a random pick order for nation's since certain player's seem to get only certain nation's.

With that, we can probably have 9 or 10 stable player's with Drew hosting, and I know Drew can even host upward's to 12 player's, so it would be pretty cool.

Anyways, it's a thought, since Drake said he wanted to join from a fresh slate, which we really can do since we only played one session.

Just think, we can have a Poland, Venice or Dutch be played and we would have diplomacy, not just the 2 alliance system that seem's to happen too often. Though last game I did do some heavy alliance hopping to shake up the status quo.

Duma

 

[Prince Eugene]

I'm going to be in Texas from the 20th to the 30th.. so if we restart I won't have any interest in joining until I get back.

 

[unmerged(17563)]

I don't want to restart not after such a good opening session for England...

Though if its what the group wants...

 

[Tem_Probe]

I don't want to restart not after such a good opening session for England...

Though if its what the group wants...

Honestly, I'm not totally over the top with the idea of a reset, eheh.

 

[unmerged(27214)]

Yo. I settled the issues with my router and am able to play MP again, might you grant me a spot being that I was a perm in CON3?

 

[unmerged(3158)]

Well... Having Red playing a game with us would be extremely cool, though I thought school and his "ahem" wife (girlfriend) was keeping him busy.

Still if we get say 3 or 4 more player's playing, I think we should restart, one so we might get a Brand or a Poland playing, plus everyone can set up and we can get the game flowing more smoothly. Maybe I am being a wee bit selfish, but I would like to see more player's in the game, with more activity centered around Europe.

It is up to the whole group as a whole, but we could revitalize Clash of Nation's with the added attention from more player's. It's just I am finding that it's always the same old Spain vs France, France vs Austria and Spain, and 2 alliance's ending up forming with France leading one side and invariably Austria leading the other. Last game I did try to shake the status quo up by alliance hopping and fought several war's against Sweden and Spain, one war against France, and in the end allied with Sweden who I've been warring against throughout most of the game. I'd like more player's and well more diplomacy.

Still I know everyone is happy with their set up, but if the new player's that came onboard, I am thinking that it would be fair to them to start from the beginning since, we really only did one session.

One session can be replayed over easy, and would help the new player's as well. Plus we can get more player's in Europe. Not outside it.

 

[unmerged(3158)]

Well I talked to Red and he would be definetely be intrested. Would even be intrested in playing 2 day's a week, but I know there are several player's who may or may not want that.

But in either case, what I want to know is who else would be intrested in joining the crew? If we restarted we would definetely add 2 player's, probably more.

Drake and Red Phoenix would be addition's, as well as maybe Specter, Sterkam and JTU

So making the list of current player's, we would have Belisarius, Temujin, Lady Europa, Count Drew, Dynokeg, Pibe (javier), and maybe Prinz Eugen. Depends if he would be willing to restart or hold off since he has vacation coming.

These 8 player's, then we would add as many as 4 or 5 more player's. For me, this would be the ideal scenario where we can have a very good balance of player's and even more importantly a dynamic campaign.

Well I'm trying to make the case of restarting, so add your comment's and either shoot my suggestion's down or make your idea's heard.

 

[unmerged(11287)]

Well I talked to Red and he would be definetely be intrested. Would even be intrested in playing 2 day's a week, but I know there are several player's who may or may not want that.

But in either case, what I want to know is who else would be intrested in joining the crew? If we restarted we would definetely add 2 player's, probably more.

Drake and Red Phoenix would be addition's, as well as maybe Specter, Sterkam and JTU

So making the list of current player's, we would have Belisarius, Temujin, Lady Europa, Count Drew, Dynokeg, Pibe (javier), and maybe Prinz Eugen. Depends if he would be willing to restart or hold off since he has vacation coming.

These 8 player's, then we would add as many as 4 or 5 more player's. For me, this would be the ideal scenario where we can have a very good balance of player's and even more importantly a dynamic campaign.

Well I'm trying to make the case of restarting, so add your comment's and either shoot my suggestion's down or make your idea's heard.

I'm not silly, what happened in Spain that makes you suggest this? inflation, useless wars, bad colonization? More players can be added with compensations, money, more troops, inflation to 0.

 

[devil]

I'm not silly, what happened in Spain that makes you suggest this? inflation, useless wars, bad colonization? More players can be added with compensations, money, more troops, inflation to 0.

Why do you always have to think others have bad intensions, e.g. suggesting a restart, the fact is drake stated he would only join if a restart is done. I know, I only join games if I get to play a nation from start. And Red + drake should be a great addition.

 

[unmerged(11287)]

Why do you always have to think others have bad intensions, e.g. suggesting a restart, the fact is drake stated he would only join if a restart is done. I know, I only join games if I get to play a nation from start. And Red + drake should be a great addition.

if the intention was to add them, why others have to adapt themselves to what a minority wants? add them, I don't have nothing to lose or win in fact, no matter if they're veterans or not, but reseting do make me lose a lot and I'm totally againt that. Let's hear others' opinions.

 

[devil]

if the intention was to add them, why others have to adapt themselves to what a minority wants? add them, I don't have nothing to lose or win in fact, no matter if they're veterans or not, but reseting do make me lose a lot and I'm totally againt that. Let's hear others' opinions.

I think Duma was only asking to restart if people agreed, and the motive was to get more players onboard.

 

[unmerged(11287)]

I think Duma was only asking to restart if people agreed, and the motive was to get more players onboard.

I have my doubts because of what happened in game. anyhow you weren't there and have no idea about it.

 

[devil]

I have my doubts because of what happened in game. anyhow you weren't there and have no idea about it.

of course I know nothing of it, still isn't is more nice with a full crew?

 

[unmerged(11287)]

of course I know nothing of it, still isn't is more nice with a full crew?

sure it's nice, but Where we left it last session. I'm sure that dedicated players like you don't mind this + compensations for losing, let me see, 18 years?

 

[unmerged(3158)]

Hey hey hey, don't jump down my throat for this Pibe.

We should only do this if everyone is onboard, if people don't want to restart then fine. What I do want is to discuss this since well quite frankly Devil is correct. I myself would love to have a larger group of player's for a game. More player's equate's to more interaction.

Plus player's like Red who haven't played in a long time, month's maybe even close to a year now. I would be happy to bring them back and get them onboard. After all, way back then in EU MP's infancy, Red was a big promoter for big MP game's. There was the Machiavelli crowd and there was Red's group. Basically the 2 main Euro game group's. I got introduced to how Euro's played and enjoyed it. No massive all consuming war's that ripped nation's apart which was the NA type of gaming norm.

If Red want's to play and wants to join our game, then by all mean's I want to make that happen. After all I owe Red and he's been far more patient with me in the past then anyone really should be.

Pibe just think on it for a bit. Really having some intrest in Clash of Nation's would do our game well and for once we can say we can field a larger then average group of player's who I think will be dedicated to bringing about a good campaign.

Beside's we need to replace one of our key warmonger's in King John. Have I ever told you Red is a premier warmaker? :rofl:

And lastly, I would go for trying to fix up nation's, but sadly we are lacking in some playable nation's. For one, there is no Venice, Denmark is already beat up. Poland is about to lose chunk's of Lithuania to Russia. And Persia has lost some decent province's already to the Ottoman Empire. Player's who do pick these countries would of wanted to at least fight to keep them, not take over an AI that lost some valuable province's. To be fair, I would like to bring in player's that can stand a decent chance at building their nation's up and in turn fighting to keep their land's.

Anyways Pibe, please think on it, and don't keep a closed mind. Adding these player's will help CoN, not hinder it and more importantly we should look past just our present setup and look to a better one with more opportunities with added player's. I much perfer to play with a larger group.

 

[Tem_Probe]

Assuming a large group is doable, as far as hosting capabilities go, and so on, and it would be *impossible* to add certain players, then I suppose I could live with a reset, however I'm still against it.

Austria, Brandenburg, England, France, Ottomans, Poland, Portugal, Russia, Spain & Sweden are all very playable, that makes enough room for 10 permanent players. With a possible Dutch, that makes 11 nations. Do we really need 13 with the addition of Venice and Denmark? For having tried such a setup in IE3, I can say that it leads to very unstable hosting, and dropping players because we end up too many isn't fun. At all. If we enlarge our group, 11 ought to be enough. And frankly, if a little edit is done to avoid huge inflation or AI destruction, then I don't see why players would refuse to join in 1510 but accept to join in if we restart. Players who refuse to join because they couldn't get 100% momentum is imho, like players dropping because they lost a small war.

I may understand that none may want to play Venice and Denmark since they were crippled, but again, 13 may not be desirable. Brandenburg, Denmark are in fine shape, Dutch haven't yet formed, and someone mentionned something about Prinz Eugen not being perm. That leaves enough room for 3 to 4 players still to join, assuming max capacity once again. I'm in favor of adding new players, certainly, but I don't think 13 is necessary or desirable, and I don't think we need a reset when the game setup is still very, very viable for those who are interested, both short term and long term.

 

[unmerged(11287)]

Whatever, i won't continue in this way...
Wonder who's Red, No biggie if he's in. I only care about dedication, not if a player is good or bad.

 

[Prince Eugene]

I take that back.. I think I'll play Thursday and Friday no matter what; it's just that staying up until 4 in the morning really fucks me up the next day.

If we restart I don't think I want something as isolated as Russia again..

 

[unmerged(17563)]

I won't play a nation I don't like if we restart, I have a country now that I love playing...

 

[unmerged(17563)]

Oh and yeah I got my surgery this afternoon, so I may be very out of it tommorow.