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As has been stated, religion IS featured in the game. You can choose to play as a religious civilization with the associated gameplay effects if you wish, we just don't show individual religions. I believe this is how it worked in Alpha Centauri as well (an excellent game). :)

In Alpha Centauri the religion was quite obviously christianity though. And there was only one religious civilization. If you don't count the Cult of Planet.
 
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My only concern is that the name might present some sort of copyright conflict in the US with a line of Texas Instrument microcontrollers of the same name.
 

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My only concern is that the name might present some sort of copyright conflict in the US with a line of Texas Instrument microcontrollers of the same name.
I'm not big on law myself, but first up there is no issue with copyright. Copyright refers to replication of product, so unless this game is a micro-controller with the same functionality there is no issue.

I think you were thinking trademark however. In which case since this is a game and that is a micro-controller there is little chance of a successful case. Trademarks are designed to stop people from attaching your trademark to similar products for financial gain. Think rip-off shoes and handbags. They are trademark infringements. Using the same name for different products in different areas happens everyday and there is only ever an issue if they have something similar in the product or design of the logo.
 
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I'm not big on law myself, but first up there is no issue with copyright. Copyright refers to replication of product, so unless this game is a micro-controller with the same functionality there is no issue.

I think you were thinking trademark however. In which case since this is a game and that is a micro-controller there is little chance of a successful case. Trademarks are designed to stop people from attaching your trademark to similar products for financial gain. Think rip-off shoes and handbags. They are trademark infringements. Using the same name for different products in different areas happens everyday and there is only ever an issue if they have something similar in the product or design of the logo.

You're thinking of a patent, I think. Copyright has to do with creative works. Trademark has to do with business/product names and logos.

Also, you're not entirely correct on that last bit. British television network Sky recently won a trademark lawsuit against Microsoft over the name Skype.
 
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You're thinking of a patent, I think. Copyright has to do with creative works. Trademark has to do with business/product names and logos.

Also, you're not entirely correct on that last bit. British television network Sky recently won a trademark lawsuit against Microsoft over the name Skype.
And if you read something on the matter of Sky Vs Skype, you would also note that it has nothing to do with the use of Skype as a product name. Just the registering of the name and logo as a trademark.

Also Copyright refers to exactly that the right to copy. Patents are for designs of products, so a car engine for example. Anyone else can make one, but as soon as you copy the exact design you are infringing on the patent.

Here is something fun, are computer programs and algorithms covered by patents or copyright?
 
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And if you read something on the matter of Sky Vs Skype, you would also note that it has nothing to do with the use of Skype as a product name. Just the registering of the name and logo as a trademark.

That is exactly what I said. A trademark dispute. The Judge, nonsensically, ruled that there could be confusion in the minds of consumers as to whether or not Skype had anything to do with the Sky network, because the Skype logo "resembles a cloud." Ridiculous.

Also Copyright refers to exactly that the right to copy.

Yes. For works of art. Like books, fiction, paintings, music, etc.

Patents are for designs of products, so a car engine for example. Anyone else can make one, but as soon as you copy the exact design you are infringing on the patent.

Patents are for technological designs, whether its an engine, a chemical, or a retrovirus.

Here is something fun, are computer programs and algorithms covered by patents or copyright?

The program itself is copyrighted, and the algorithms are (often) patented. As are absolutely ridiculous things like the concept of a podcast (but that was thrown out recently).
The U.S. patent system is a total mess.
 
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I'm not big on law myself, but first up there is no issue with copyright. Copyright refers to replication of product, so unless this game is a micro-controller with the same functionality there is no issue.
That would be my first thought, but I recall working on a project a few decades ago involving a piece video production equipment, and we got a court order against using the intended name for it, which was already being played up in several video production trade ads placed by our company. It was ruled that the name of our piece of video equipment was in potential conflict with the upcoming "Prodigy" internet service.

Sadly, I can picture some "technologically challenged" judge ruling that a piece of video game software designed to run on a PC could be confused with a piece of computer hardware designed to run an embedded program.
 

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Not sure why everyone is going on about religion. If a pop model similar to Victoria's is being used, religion is just another "interest" or "concern". Heck, it could even be an ideology.
I guess what I'm trying to say, is that the pop model should be able to handle it, even if its modded in.
 
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In Victoria religious tension plays little to no role though. It is more a measure of conservativism, really.

But if we picture a clash of totally alien races (each with presumably very different belief systems) it would be weird if all the religious ones would get along well. History has shown that it's usually the other way round ;) The same is true for some other ideologies like xenophobia or aggressiveness.
Now it could also be argued that they would get along after all (xenophobic ones respecting their mutual need for seclusion, aggressive ones respecting each other as true warriors and religious ones preferring different religions to atheists at least).

Will be interesting to see how Paradox will handle this and if possible lower diplomacy boni of these ideologies will be offset by some other perks
 
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I think they will keep any major religion mechanic out for now and just have the fervour ethic. Though I do not doubt that there is a planned religious DLC down the track (which quite frankly I would prefer as it lets the team focus on bringing a big and great mechanic for it that is quite detailed.)

As stated guys there is no religions and no cultures only ethics. People can be fanatical religious but there is no actual religion detail there, from what I have read from the devs.
 

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Ideology replaces the purpose of religion and culture. Not sure why so many people are upset about the absence of religion.

I think I'd be upset if there was religion. These are space-colonizing civilizations guys... I'd hope very much there would be no religious fairy thinking shaping the lifestyle and decisions of any given civilization at that stage of their technological and presumably intellectual advancement - what are you thinking? :eek:

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I think I'd be upset if there was religion. These are space-colonizing civilizations guys... I'd hope very much there would be no religious fairy thinking shaping the lifestyle and decisions of any given civilization at that stage of their technological and presumably intellectual advancement - what are you thinking? :eek:

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Completely disagree. Almost every major scholar and philosopher in the last 4,000 years has been a religious man. The two are almost one in the same - you need religion (it doesn't appear to matter which one) to advance as a society. Look at whats happening recently with the complete cultural collapses in the US and Europe and the starling lack of any major technological breakthroughs in the last 20 years or so - it aligns almost perfectly with the growing number of atheists and agnostics (of which I am one) in those regions. Beleif in a God (or the Gods) is a very fundamental thing I almost think would be a near-requirement for greater society to develop.
 
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Completely disagree. Almost every major scholar and philosopher in the last 4,000 years has been a religious man. The two are almost one in the same - you need religion (it doesn't appear to matter which one) to advance as a society. Look at whats happening recently with the complete cultural collapses in the US and Europe and the starling lack of any major technological breakthroughs in the last 20 years or so - it aligns almost perfectly with the growing number of atheists and agnostics (of which I am one) in those regions. Beleif in a God (or the Gods) is a very fundamental thing I almost think would be a near-requirement for greater society to develop.

...and then you make a really nice vacation in Sweden, realize practically no one believes in god over there (and if they do then they don't pester everyone with it, because it's rude) and somehow their society and their cultural attitudes are a hundred times more advanced, ethical and social than any predominantly religious society you care to dig up and compare. Especially the one associated with your flag I might add. I couldn't possibly disagree more with your post, major technological and ethical advancements tend to go hand in hand with the rejection of superstition and dogma and the adoption of methodical rational thinking and the development of the scientific method. Even during times where religion reigned supreme, most notably during the "enlightenment" period - advancements in understanding the world and our place in it were made to the extent to which religion for once DIDN'T hinder those advancements. I'm gonna be so damn embarassed for my species if humanity really drags all this oh-so-fascinating burning bush stuff into space. There is not a single religious text that deserves more than one star on amazon if taken at face value.
 
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...and then you make a really nice vacation in Sweden, realize practically no one believes in god over there (and if they do then they don't pester everyone with it, because it's rude) and somehow their society and their cultural attitudes are a hundred times more advanced, ethical and social than any predominantly religious society you care to dig up and compare. Especially the one associated with your flag I might add. I couldn't possibly disagree more with your post, major technological and ethical advancements tend to go hand in hand with the rejection of superstition and dogma and the adoption of methodical rational thinking and the development of the scientific method. Even during times where religion reigned supreme, most notably during the "enlightenment" period - advancements in understanding the world and our place in it were made to the extent to which religion for once DIDN'T hinder those advancements. I'm gonna be so damn embarassed for my species if humanity really drags all this oh-so-fascinating burning bush stuff into space. There is not a single religious text that deserves more than one star on amazon if taken at face value.

Please... Don't make religion down. You might be right, that we don't need religion for advantage... But you are wrong that religion is against technology. You know that the ones who devolope the scientific method were religious men? Galileo, Kopernikus, Kepler... The Scientific revolution was made by religious men.

Religion don't hinder those advancements. That's nonsense. Without religious institutions science would be even worse in some eras.
 
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I think I'd be upset if there was religion.

Well, too bad for you.
'Cause the devs have confirmed several times that Religious civilizations will be available. Religiosity is an ethic that, like all other ethics like individualism and xenophobia, will be available in a normal or fanatical version. It's not confirmed however if Atheist or fanatical Atheist civilizations will be available, maybe because "Religiosity" already cover extreme attachment to a specific Religious position well enough.
 
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