Clarifications of Free Military Access

[Kurblius]

I'm looking for clarification with respect to "free" military access through a country (as in without needing to make a "request military access" diplomatic action). I've noticed a few things and I just want to sound them out on here. Tell me if I got them right:

1.) I have access through all HRE countries when I'm at war with the Emperor. You don't need to be a HRE member. I immediately lose access if the Emperor drops out of the war. The Emperor also gets access through all HRE territories during war. It doesn't matter who it is. Does the Emperor suffer full attrition, though? I seem to.

2.) I have access through my allies only during war, but I believe I suffer full attrition.

3.) I have access through my vassals during war or peace, but I always suffer full attrition.

4.) Vassals don't get access through their master's territory during peace. They only get access if they've been called to war.

5.) I presume Personal Unions make you immediately their ally, hence the same rules as allies apply. I don't think being the Junior or Senior partner matters.

Is there any other conditions I'm missing?

BTW, the first point irritates me somewhat as it forces me to be careful about where my troops end up when I peace out. It's quite easy to have them trapped in a landlocked OPM on the other side of the Holy Roman Empire.

 

[Snapze]

I've experienced the same thing as you regarding the first post, but you won't suffer full attrition when going through allied territory. Allies recieve a 4x supply limit bonus, at least during a war.

The situation with vassals annoys me though. They won't always accept millitary access through their masters territory and will often get their armies stuck after a war. I think they should always have access.

 

[Emperor Hans]

I also experience that after I peaced out, I still have access through enemy territory for a limited amount of time ( even after crossing borders )

 

[Kurblius]

I also experience that after I peaced out, I still have access through enemy territory for a limited amount of time ( even after crossing borders )

I presume you're speaking as the Emperor? Seriously, I didn't know the Emperor still got access after a war. Probably fair, though.

 

[King Nothing]

1.) I have access through all HRE countries when I'm at war with the Emperor. You don't need to be a HRE member. I immediately lose access if the Emperor drops out of the war. The Emperor also gets access through all HRE territories during war. It doesn't matter who it is. Does the Emperor suffer full attrition, though? I seem to.

2.) I have access through my allies only during war, but I believe I suffer full attrition.

3.) I have access through my vassals during war or peace, but I always suffer full attrition.

4.) Vassals don't get access through their master's territory during peace. They only get access if they've been called to war.

5.) I presume Personal Unions make you immediately their ally, hence the same rules as allies apply. I don't think being the Junior or Senior partner matters.

Is there any other conditions I'm missing?

BTW, the first point irritates me somewhat as it forces me to be careful about where my troops end up when I peace out. It's quite easy to have them trapped in a landlocked OPM on the other side of the Holy Roman Empire.

1. After the war you are allowed to walk home. But only home I think, you have to direct your troops directly at your own province. (or perhaps also to someone other that you are allowed access to)

2. Not quite full attrition. As someone said, you have 4x supply limit, not 5 as in your own turf but not 1 as in enemy territory either.

3. Correct I think.

4. I think it's the AI that is stupid here.. After a war it seems like it always walks to the nearest vassal province, no matter who that vassal is. Even if they have military access through their master...

EDIT: 1b. After the war, during the truce, I think you can also walk from your province to someone you are at war with. Not sure about the exact rule here but there is something that sometimes let you walk from home to your enemy even if you shouldn't be allowed... And in both circumstances you take full attrition of course.

 

[Emperor Hans]

I presume you're speaking as the Emperor? Seriously, I didn't know the Emperor still got access after a war. Probably fair, though.

Not at all, works outside HRE as well

 

[Sid (#FreeKanye)]

Do you know that when you're at war you get x3.5 supply limit in occupied provinces, but your allies will get x4 in the same provinces?

 

[brifbates]

1.) I have access through all HRE countries when I'm at war with the Emperor. You don't need to be a HRE member. I immediately lose access if the Emperor drops out of the war. The Emperor also gets access through all HRE territories during war. It doesn't matter who it is. Does the Emperor suffer full attrition, though? I seem to.

Anyone involved in a war the HRE is involved in (on either side) can march troops through any HRE province, not country.

2.) I have access through my allies only during war, but I believe I suffer full attrition.

3.) I have access through my vassals during war or peace, but I always suffer full attrition.

4.) Vassals don't get access through their master's territory during peace. They only get access if they've been called to war.

All true in the absence of military access agreements

5.) I presume Personal Unions make you immediately their ally, hence the same rules as allies apply. I don't think being the Junior or Senior partner matters.

Is there any other conditions I'm missing?

BTW, the first point irritates me somewhat as it forces me to be careful about where my troops end up when I peace out. It's quite easy to have them trapped in a landlocked OPM on the other side of the Holy Roman Empire.

That sounds correct to me. It's even more annoying when the Emperor peaces out early leaving your troops somewhat locked out of position or stranded.

Note that at the conclusion of a war your troops get free access to any province still controlled by the owner involved in the war until such time as they enter friendly or home territories. Once they enter a province you own or have access to they can no longer enter provinces you only had access to due to being allied/at war with the owner. Provinces that change hands as a result of the peace (released nations etc) sometimes act strangely-or have rules I haven't yet figured out.

 

[Kurblius]

EDIT: 1b. After the war, during the truce, I think you can also walk from your province to someone you are at war with. Not sure about the exact rule here but there is something that sometimes let you walk from home to your enemy even if you shouldn't be allowed... And in both circumstances you take full attrition of course.

See, this is exactly the kind of thing that is weird. It seems to work only for a limited time though, and rarely. Bug?

Do you know that when you're at war you get x3.5 supply limit in occupied provinces, but your allies will get x4 in the same provinces?

And this is just plain confusing. What do you mean by occupied territory? Occupied as in sieging, or occupied as in controlled? Occupied by whom, your troops on enemy territory, or enemy troops in your territory?

 

[Sid (#FreeKanye)]

And this is just plain confusing. What do you mean by occupied territory? Occupied as in sieging, or occupied as in controlled? Occupied by whom, your troops on enemy territory, or enemy troops in your territory?

Occupied as in controlled. ie. enemy territory you have occupied.