Clarification on AHD and Old Vic

[Secret Master]

I read in the Q&A that Old Vic won't work with AHD. But I was wondering if I could get some more information about the situation from anyone in the know. (I know the Q & A is over, but if someone with better reading skills than me can help, I would appreciate it.)

Will Old Vic ever be compatible with AHD at a later date?

Is there some kind of "installation order" that would make Old Vic actually work? (i.e. you have to install it over AHD 1.2 or something)

Will there be an updated Old Vic for use with the new interface in AHD?

Does AHD incorporate aspects of Old Vic, rendering it obsolete in some way?


I know Old Vic is a bit of a buggy albatross, but it's one of the few DLC I've ever purchased. I'd feel kind of sad if it just went away and we were never going to have it's like again.

 

[s1234567890m]

Im sure darkrenown said in the Q&A thread that the original DLC maker would have to update it

 

[patiofurniture]

Im sure darkrenown said in the Q&A thread that the original DLC maker would have to update it

Isn't he on these forums?

 

[Secret Master]

Im sure darkrenown said in the Q&A thread that the original DLC maker would have to update it

Ah, ok, see I saw Darkrenown post something, but I didn't see him say that.

If the DLC maker can just update it, that makes more sense than what I thought I originally read, which implied that Old Vic would be gone forever.

 

[s1234567890m]

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...ed-Sprites&p=13311650&viewfull=1#post13311650

I was thinking of the wrong thread

 

[podcat]

at the moment AHD will install on top of old victoria and replaces it. Since the DLC isnt updated to the new interfaces the game would break otherwise

 

[Danevang]

Isn't he on these forums?

He is.

As mentioned I suppose Old Vic won't work with AHD (haven't got access to AHD, so don't know).

I have thought about doing somwthing to Old Vic for a while, but have been busy with CK2 and other stuff. Old Vic changes a lot of interface files (I mean a lot), so it would require time for me to spend on it, and access to AHD. As AHD has been delayed, until it is released there's not much that I can do. Also I hadn't learned how to do it most efficiently when I did Old Vic, I did a lot of bad choices, so the best would be a redo. What could be really cool is an Old Vic 2. Old Vic was the first stuff I ever did for Paradox, it took me forever to do (a pretty bad investment for me if I hadn't been a fan of the game) and I've come light years since then.

Anyhow, it is not solely up to me, so we'll see.

 

[Secret Master]

Ok. That makes sense.

If it makes any difference, for all its growing pains, Old Vic is one of the few DLCs I've ever purchased for Paradox products. I'm not normally a sprite pack or extra goodies kind of guy (I want MOAR MECHANICS usually), but I liked its feel as an interface. It just felt right.

 

[Danevang]

I'm very glad you feel that way. It was released in an unfortunate way (me having done it for one patch, it being released, for another incompatible patch. Even the adverticement images were messed up due to this. How they got through to GG and Steam I'll never know. Hehe), so it got a pretty bad start I think. And all the changed interface files makes it hard to use with other mods. But I've learned a lesson from that.

Hopefully it can rise to power with AHD!

 

[Danevang]

Hey guys. It hasn't been possible to make an arrangement with Paradox for an Old Vic 2 for AHD, so that is not going to happen. As it would be a lot of work changing Old Vic to work with AHD, and I can't spend the little spare time I have on that, Old Vic will unfortunately not be updated for AHD.

 

[patiofurniture]

:sad:

 

[Pass_West]

I have a somewhat related question - I currently have V2 with Old Vic and the latest beta patch installed. Will it be OK to simply install AHD over all of those? Or should I re-install V2 and install AHD over that?

 

[Danevang]

I have a somewhat related question - I currently have V2 with Old Vic and the latest beta patch installed. Will it be OK to simply install AHD over all of those? Or should I re-install V2 and install AHD over that?

Check post #6. It should overwrite Old Vic.

 

[Secret Master]

This is disappointing.

Since you are on the CK2 project, would it be appropriate to ask whether the new policy towards DLCs (no more expansions as such, instead they will be DLCs and modular to ensure MP compatibility) means that smaller stuff like Old Vic will, in the future, be more compatible with later content that is produced?

 

[Danevang]

This is disappointing.

Since you are on the CK2 project, would it be appropriate to ask whether the new policy towards DLCs (no more expansions as such, instead they will be DLCs and modular to ensure MP compatibility) means that smaller stuff like Old Vic will, in the future, be more compatible with later content that is produced?

I'm affraid I know nothing about future policies, but I am pretty sure that Old Vic is a single sad case in that regard. I had made it to change a lot of files, not the best way of doing it, and Paradox released it for a patch that had not been out when I did it. The result was a completely messy screen (as even shows in the advertising images). I don't know how that happened, but if I had the chance to redo/improve it I would make it much more compatible with anything to come later. Alas I don't have that oppertunity, and so can't do much about it.

In short, I don't know what the plans are, but the new CK2 modding system (as mentioned in the modding dev diary) should help with this a lot.

 

[Secret Master]

In short, I don't know what the plans are, but the new CK2 modding system (as mentioned in the modding dev diary) should help with this a lot.

Fair enough. That's more or less what I was asking, anyway. From some of Johan's other posts regarding certain policies, it seems that the CK modding architecture is the way of the future, as it were.

Have fun tidying up CK2 and its gfx for release.

 

[Danevang]

Fair enough. That's more or less what I was asking, anyway. From some of Johan's other posts regarding certain policies, it seems that the CK modding architecture is the way of the future, as it were.

Have fun tidying up CK2 and its gfx for release.

The Old Vic thread has been dead for a very long time, so I have no idea what people think of it. Now if I would at some point get a little time to mod (it has been ages since I did, but you never know), would you have anything you'd like improved/changed in an Old Vic like mod? That is, only gfx.

 

[minispace]

A disclaimer: I do not own Old Vic, but I really like the look of it and I wish it were updated for AHD.

Shouldn't there an obligation on Paradox's part to maintain compatibility for DLC? I think letting DLC languish, to the point where it is no longer compatible or breaks the most current version of the game, is a crummy thing to do, ethically. A successful company like Paradox should have the resources to easily address this issue. By that I mean they should throw money at Danevang so he can fix it

If it will not be fixed, will there be a disclaimer added to Old Vic, since it will not work with AHD? I think it would be irresponsible for Paradox to continue selling it as is.

 

[The Zealot]

Hey guys. It hasn't been possible to make an arrangement with Paradox for an Old Vic 2 for AHD, so that is not going to happen. As it would be a lot of work changing Old Vic to work with AHD, and I can't spend the little spare time I have on that, Old Vic will unfortunately not be updated for AHD.

I did buy it, but never installed it. I heard about the compatibility issues just when I bought it, so I waited for the mod to be fixed. In the end, I forgot about it. Sometimes I think of it, but the effort of investigating if it's fully compatible with the latest patch 1.4 actually puts me off.
So while I think that the idea is good, and I would like to see it updated for AHD, the end product must be several notches above how it was when the original Old Vic came out.

 

[Danevang]

I did buy it, but never installed it. I heard about the compatibility issues just when I bought it, so I waited for the mod to be fixed. In the end, I forgot about it. Sometimes I think of it, but the effort of investigating if it's fully compatible with the latest patch 1.4 actually puts me off.
So while I think that the idea is good, and I would like to see it updated for AHD, the end product must be several notches above how it was when the original Old Vic came out.

The thing is, the end product was not the problem, rather it was that Paradox released it for a new patch which didn't exist when I did the DLC. Anyway, there won't be a new Old Vic.