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Spain on: Colombia, Peru, Mexico, Chile, Argentina, Uruguay, Bolivia, Honduras, Nicaragua, and... England 
Originally posted by Dzoser
Spain on: Colombia, Peru, Mexico, Chile, Argentina, Uruguay, Bolivia, Honduras, Nicaragua, and... England
you forgot the benelux area =) and malta!
re azid
Yes, and Portugal, too (great Philip II's job)
These evil calvins from Netherlands made him sick and painfull
Yes, and Portugal, too (great Philip II's job)
These evil calvins from Netherlands made him sick and painfull
Originally posted by Dzoser
Spain on: Colombia, Peru, Mexico, Chile, Argentina, Uruguay, Bolivia, Honduras, Nicaragua, and... England
and US (Florida, California, Texas), I think Spain ruled a couple of provinces in Italy and Germany. It will be cool if Spain is granted claims on all of its ex teritories.
claims should be realistic,
Spanish claims on Netherlands is a joke, they waged war for that long enough...
Spanish claims on Netherlands is a joke, they waged war for that long enough...
seems Great Britian should have claims on the entire world since they certainly thought it was all theirs at the time.
Classic!
Seriously I would hope the Italian AI regards Trieste as a part of national territory. Same with Denmark and the territories they lost in 1864.
If I took Faro from Portugal I also would like to think I just earned an eternal enemy, not just say "well here take the Island of St. Thomas-there all better now right Lisbon?"
If you voluntarily sell a territory, I think you should lose your claim to it. If you lose a territory in war, I think you should keep your claim to it. Therefore, no French claim on Louisianna or Spanish on Florida.
Yeah, but what if you lose a territory in a war and sell it at the same time? Like Mexico did with it`s northern territiories.
King Philip, who fought the war against Netherlands was a Dutch Duke elected as a king of Spain and he defended his own inherited land, from the protestant rebels
.So it is a joke
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Originally posted by Dzoser
Only for calvins and protestants heretics
I guess most of the population was calvinistic or protestant heretics.
So it would by pretty hard to enforce the Spanish rule to Netherlands in 19th century. Seriously speaking, I believe that the claims should have certain validity and local support for that claim. Let´s take couple of examples:Finland because Sweden had a claim on Finland. Another issue is that the czar Alexander I gave Finland privileges and created the Grand Duchy of Finland. The Finns also swore an oath on him. If Sweden could conquer Finland back then she would also had to deal with a local opposition in Finland because Finland had a better position as a Russian Grand Duchy than an intergral part of Sweden.
Declining Ottoman Empire and Austria´s Slavonic areas in Balkan area because the other nationalities looked for independence or they wanted to join a nation which was dominated by the same nationality. In this situation certain nations in Balkan region had claims and local support for their claims. I think this is the way to simulate the Balkan situation; Two old Empires and a group of aggressive and nationalistic new states looking for a possibility to unite all people who speak their language.
I think the local support played a major role in 19th century. I hope that Victoria also models this aspect. If someone conquers the land the he had claims he can convince the other nations with that claim but he must also convince the local population to support him especially if the local population is ethnically different.
Originally posted by Finnish Dragon
I guess most of the population was calvinistic or protestant heretics.
Finland because Sweden had a claim on Finland. Another issue is that the czar Alexander I gave Finland privileges and created the Grand Duchy of Finland. The Finns also swore an oath on him. If Sweden could conquer Finland back then she would also had to deal with a local opposition in Finland because Finland had a better position as a Russian Grand Duchy than an intergral part of Sweden.
Declining Ottoman Empire and Austria´s Slavonic areas in Balkan area because the other nationalities looked for independence or they wanted to join a nation which was dominated by the same nationality. In this situation certain nations in Balkan region had claims and local support for their claims. I think this is the way to simulate the Balkan situation; Two old Empires and a group of aggressive and nationalistic new states looking for a possibility to unite all people who speak their language.
I think the local support played a major role in 19th century. I hope that Victoria also models this aspect. If someone conquers the land the he had claims he can convince the other nations with that claim but he must also convince the local population to support him especially if the local population is ethnically different.
Russia had a claim on Finland, Austria on Bosnia, Austria and Prussia on Poland without local support and common language. Claims are not very logical.
"Claim" is only a word. Depending on time periods, it would vary on its form - Spain had a "claim" on Tenochtitlan because it was the first to discover the city, whereas the third Reich had a "claim" on Praha because... because... because what ?
Anyway, the result was war, because the validity of a "claim" is never universal, and pure annexation, because the "claimer" was stronger.
Whatever the reason, you'll always find somebody to challenge your "claim". That's why I'm anxious to see how Paradox will handle the matter : will Germany have a claim on Alsace, Spain on Gibraltar, etc ?
And more important, will this forum be filled with furious messages like "I don't agree with this claim because historically etc etc" ?
Anyway, the result was war, because the validity of a "claim" is never universal, and pure annexation, because the "claimer" was stronger.
Whatever the reason, you'll always find somebody to challenge your "claim". That's why I'm anxious to see how Paradox will handle the matter : will Germany have a claim on Alsace, Spain on Gibraltar, etc ?
And more important, will this forum be filled with furious messages like "I don't agree with this claim because historically etc etc" ?
Yes, of course it will. In fact, because Vic is closer to the present and impinges on modern disputes (Greece-Turkey springs to mind, as proved by discussion elsewhere), it'll be *worse*. Can't wait.
If you could "claim" only 5 (or 6, 7, 8 etc.) territories at same time. That would prevent Russia to claim whole world. And, of course, it would make other countries more hostile against you, if you claim new territories. More "weird" (ex. Russia claims Brasilia) claims, more hostile nations.