Claiming and coring should follow the same rules

[glubsch]

So, I am colonizing Arguin as Holland when I see that I can claim Cayor (I guess because they are connected by sea). At the prospekt of capturing an estuary i do the fabricate claim thing and ship my whole army from holland to africa (It's early in game and my army is quite small).

Guess how happy I was when I won the war, just to see that I can not take the province because I can not core it.
What a damn waste of time. Please don't let players claim provinces they can not capture, because seriously: that's just trolling them.

 

[pttaylor]

I think it's a relic of old versions; you used to be able to core from a colony, now you need it to finish first. Sit on the war until the colony finishes?
If they do change it, I'd hope it'd be back to being able to core next to colonies - being able to claim from them is super important because you can't claim from colonial nations so it's the only way to get claims in America a lot of the time.

 

[Dominion]

What irks me is that the difference between what you're able to claim, what you're able to take and what you're able to core isn't intuitive.

It's not very complex, takes a single playthrough to get the rules in your head including almost all niche cases, but claims, demands and coring all following different rules took a bit getting used to.

Especially since occupation can play a role and coring doesn't get interrupted if you've already started it (unless the province is being sieged).

Leads to some weird outcomes where during war you can take province 1, but not core it despite having fabricated on it and in the next month being able to take province 2, which you can core, but not 1 anymore even though you couldn't fabricate on 2.

Or being able to core province 3, but lack admin points so you wait on the monthly tick and suddenly you can't core province 3 anymore.

It's a really minor complaint from my side, but absolute base functions of the game should be more intuitive and follow very simple rules to allow players to get into the game before realizing what kind of learning curve they opted into, instead of forcing people to read rules and exceptions for half an hour to be able to play the game.

 

[glubsch]

Yeah, it is possible that the last time I got into this game coring from colonies was still possible.

This is one of the main reasons I do not like to play ironman, even with more than 300 hours of playtime.
I still feel that I don't know all the rules and I don't like to f*ck up my game because I misunderstood them.

But nevertheless, it should not be possible to claim provinces you can not take.

 

[sti]

It is pretty awkward how hard to figure out some things are. Good luck figuring how how to reform as a native optimally without reloading a bunch of times.

 

[Messy]

Sometimes getting a claim on land = getting a reason to go to war (casus beli) and then demand whatever you want.
Totally not defending the system in question.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

What irks me is that the difference between what you're able to claim, what you're able to take and what you're able to core isn't intuitive.

It's not very complex, takes a single playthrough to get the rules in your head including almost all niche cases, but claims, demands and coring all following different rules took a bit getting used to.

What irks me is that since 1.12 beta...years ago now, the game's UI lies to you and claims you can't take provinces due to coring rules, when you could core the province immediately IE same day as any other province you are allowed to take.

The game double-misleads with this lie, since it is also possible to take land in a peace deal then discover you can't core it (sometimes for month tick, sometimes not until you core coastal province, sometimes never depending on what you took)...itself a contrast from when you're legitimately blocked from taking land because you really can't core it (as opposed to having that message lie to you and claim you couldn't when you could).

You and I know the rules...but I'm not sure a newbie knows them after a playthrough or three.

 

[peterlj]

So, I am colonizing Arguin as Holland when I see that I can claim Cayor (I guess because they are connected by sea). At the prospekt of capturing an estuary i do the fabricate claim thing and ship my whole army from holland to africa (It's early in game and my army is quite small).

Guess how happy I was when I won the war, just to see that I can not take the province because I can not core it.
What a damn waste of time. Please don't let players claim provinces they can not capture, because seriously: that's just trolling them.

Perhaps make this a rule for the AI aswell. Playing Inca at the moment and had to endure three conquest wars with europeans only to realize they doesnt want any land at all since they cant core anything i own. multiple attacks in mesoamerica due to the same reason. no lands taken in the war. Its the finisher in exploration that is the problem.