Third Angel said:
Was it a given in 1066 that Andalusia would be part of the Castile kingdom?
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Was it a given in 1066 that Andalusia would be part of the Castile kingdom?
No. That's why I already said that I would rather have them NONE. Byakhiam and other people disagree so they should go to Castille because the setup is defined in province.csv and is not only about 1066. It was clear long before 1453 that Granadan land would belong to Castille someday.Garbon said:
This seems like a reasonable solution.goiobre said:
Should the duchy be called "Rome" or "Roma"?
Third Angel said:
The question then should revolve around whether it was clear for a majority of the period.
http://euratlas.com/time/sw1300.htmGarbon said:
With the southernmost Aragonian "blobbie" going to Castile, it would seem to be clear for about half the game.
I'd rather have them as Castile than NONE anyway, though.
I read the abp of Krakow was created only in 1925.=WiTeK= said:There was always archbishop of Cracovia (Kraków)
(but you can't create it in cenario, because it was also capital of Poland since 1038. )
True, but the entire Polish set-up I proposed way back when is based on only on the events of 1138-1305 anyway.Lesser Poland isn't so wrong, but it's modern name. Now we can say that somebody ruled Malopolska, but in Medieval nobody using this form.
Lesser Poland in XI century is not so historically correct, but it's only game
Here is the post I was talking about earlier, specifically:
The "most part" I'm referring to was 96 years of the 167 year period (1138-1305), btw.
Heh, didn't notice that yet. I got used to typing Sandomiersk so as not to create any more unnecessary confusion.BTW. Sandomiersk was corrected in 1.05. Now it's Sandomierz (right form)
Looking at these maps, I can't help but wonder if Denmark should get that small province (topmost in duchy of Holstein) from Germany:
http://euratlas.com/time/nw1100.htm
http://euratlas.com/time/nw1200.htm
http://euratlas.com/time/nw1300.htm
http://euratlas.com/time/nw1400.htm
None of these maps show the area as German.
http://euratlas.com/time/nw1100.htm
http://euratlas.com/time/nw1200.htm
http://euratlas.com/time/nw1300.htm
http://euratlas.com/time/nw1400.htm
None of these maps show the area as German.
The problem with the county of Holstein is that its borders obviously differ from the real world. The area it comprises in CK rather equals southern Slesvig in reality.
So, while it is still true that Holstein was rather part of Germany than Denmark, the area it represents had always (until 1864, I guess) belonged to Denmark. I would therefore suggest to align the county of Holstein to Denmark, also in order to make this very small kingdom bigger. This conclusion was also drawn in the last thread, if I may quote:
So, while it is still true that Holstein was rather part of Germany than Denmark, the area it represents had always (until 1864, I guess) belonged to Denmark. I would therefore suggest to align the county of Holstein to Denmark, also in order to make this very small kingdom bigger. This conclusion was also drawn in the last thread, if I may quote:
Granada swore alliegeance to Castile in 1246. All the wars they fought from this date to 1492 were against Castile, and during the peace times they were usually vassals and paid tribute to Castile.Garbon said:
The Phoenix said:
Well, if Granada isn't an option, then I'm good with the setup from Byak's last map. I'm still pulling for Granada though.
Yea that's the problem I'm talking about here. The duchy-kingdoms of southern iberia did not pledge to anyone really. They declared themselves independant and had to be conquered once again, but this time Catholic vs. Catholic instead of Catholic vs. Muslim.Byakhiam said:
There were 5 in 1.04a and except for the size of 1 Paradox consider 5 in iberia ok and its not a stretch to make Granada bigger than 4 provinces to 6 or rename it Andalucia.Byakhiam said:Just four recreatable ones. Which is the one that counts in this thread.
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Todor said:
The topic of Holsten/and Slesvig is a bit convoluted. The two provinces was in reality a part of Denmark as a dukedom ususally with the danish king as duke, but the area (Holsten at least) was also part of germany, so the Danish King was for most of the time from 1100 - 1864 a vassal of the german king/emperor, but only in his role as duke of Holsten. A bit like the english king being vassal of the french king in Normandy.
So the most correct solution would be to have Slesvig a part of Denmark, Holsten a part of Germany, and then form a duchy of Slesvig-Holsten.
(That would leave Jylland single though) But we could then add Fyn to a new duchy of Jylland, and then add Rügen to the duchy of Sjælland. It was under administration from the bishop of Sjælland during a considerable amount of the period.
The borders on the map between Holsten and Slesvig and Slesvig and Jylland are placed a bit north of their real positions, but the layout with three provinces is fairly accurate.
Would you suggest that Leon is removed and Andalucia/Granada is added instead?Jinnai said:
How about having the Isle of Man be a part of the default area of the kingdom of Scotland, but starting with the title Kingdom of Man (and the Isles)?
It was the Navarra of the British isles and I think it could/should be treated accordingly. It wouldn't pledge to anyone as long as it isn't conquered...
It was the Navarra of the British isles and I think it could/should be treated accordingly. It wouldn't pledge to anyone as long as it isn't conquered...
The Phoenix said:
If you create the kingdom of Man then the dukes of Ireland should also be made kings, since that is what they called themselves. They were 'kinglets' not kings in the CK meaning of kings.
The western slavic tribes between Elbe and Oder (Mecklemburg/Brandenburg) were also called 'kings'.
Alltough the kingdom of Man or the Isles existed it is just to small and to be incorporated the game.
Creating a kingdom of the Isles is opening up a nasty bag of beans, or how do they say that in english :rofl:
Also the count of the Man in 1066 is also the count of Dublina and the heir to the duchy of Leinster.
Looking at this map, I see no "kingdom" there - but I do see a "Kingdom of Man"...Veldmaarschalk said:
They're pagan, though, so I wouldn't mind having them get alternate "kingdom" tribal titles like all those Baltic/Finnish pagans.
What about Navarra, then?
The Phoenix said:Looking at this map, I see no "kingdom" there - but I do see a "Kingdom of Man"...They're pagan, though, so I wouldn't mind having them get alternate "kingdom" tribal titles like all those Baltic/Finnish pagans.What about Navarra, then?
Believe me the Irish dukes were also 'kings' and the ruler of entire Ireland was named 'High King'
Navarra existed longer and was more important and bigger, then the kingdom of the Isles, in my opinion
esbenmf said:
Some 40 years maximum I would say
But Rügen was much longer under the control of the several dukes of Pomerania
Rügen
And was even for a longer period of time a duchy of its own, so adding it to Sjaelland isn't really the best option in my opinion. A independent count of Rügen would not swear loyalty to a duke of Sjaelland or king of Denmark but would look south towards Pomerania, Mecklemburg or Brandenburg.
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