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CKIII Dev Diary #27 - Cultures & Cultural Innovations

Greetings, dear friends, and welcome to the cultural dev diary! Today, we’re going to be going over some familiar mechanics from CK2, and, relatedly, our decidedly less familiar all-new tech system!

Cultures & Culture Groups
The basic structure of the cultural system will be fairly recognisable to many of you. Every county and character on the map has a culture, representing (usually) the majority demographic for that county or the preferred customs of that character. Most cultures are based around a language, but some focus more on dialect or specific bodies of tradition, and a few are even primarily just regional.

Every culture, in turn, belongs to a culture group. These are gatherings of several cultures that, whilst distinct from one another, are nevertheless closely related. Most often this is down to a shared root culture, but in a few cases cultures have entered the same group merely by cohabiting for a long period of time.

Characters who come from completely different cultures like each other less, with characters who come from different cultures within the same group taking a reduced penalty. Like CK2, this only matters within your realm, so you won’t get grumpy at your neighbour for being different unless you’re occasionally required to talk to the lad.

Cultural preferences carry over to the peasantry: if the lord who directly holds a particular county doesn’t share that county’s culture, then that county will take a hit to popular opinion (with the hit being smaller if they’re at least part of the same culture group).

Of course, as this is only the direct holder of a county, having a good friend who understands the local customs in charge of all these strange foreign peasants can be an excellent way to stave off peasant revolts...

But what about...
… Melting pots and culture splits? Still got ‘em! We’ve even got some fancy new scripted effects to make it easier than ever to add your own.

Culture conversion is also more easily accessible: per the council task dev diary, this is now a council task, performed by your steward. You can attempt to culture convert any county in your sub-realm, though without an excellent steward or certain types of faith, it’ll likely take a while. People seldom change their culture quickly or willingly.

Show us the good stuff!
Ahhhhhh, you want to see some maps? See how granular we’re getting with our cultural setup this time around? Well, maps I’ve got! How many new cultures can you pick out?

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Cultural & Technology
In CK3, cultures mean a lot more than just a few points of opinion here and there. Cultures are now an integral part of our reworked system for technology, with eras, explicit innovations, and mechanics for tussling over the cultural heart of your people.

Innovations
Innovations are the very heart of CK3’s technological system. Each one represents a thorough proliferation of an idea, a legal practice, or a specific technology, taken to heart by any given culture, or still weird and foreign no matter its advantages. As the game progresses, cultures will slowly become more and more accustomed to the various innovations, until each innovation is thoroughly embraced and ubiquitous amongst the people of that culture. At that point, an innovation is considered “unlocked”, and its unique benefits are accessible to characters and counties of the unlocking culture.

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Benefits for each innovation vary tremendously between them. Some unlock new and better forms of succession law, some give bonuses to growth or income, some allow access to specific Men-at-Arms, or even grant entirely new CBs. We have innovations for everything from battlements to bombards, from coinage to cranes, and wootz steel to wierdijks!

Innovations broadly fall into one of three categories: military, civic, and special (a.k.a, "Cultural and Regional"), each grouped together in the interface.

Military and civic innovations typically cover what you might expect (martial and non-martial matters, respectively). All cultures can, eventually, acquire all military and civic innovations.

Special innovations behave a bit differently. A few are unlocked via special decisions and can only be acquired by taking those decisions, whilst some are cultural, requiring you to belong to a specific culture or culture group, but most are regional innovations.

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Regional innovations require you to either have at least a certain number of counties within a specific area to unlock, or else to have a certain percentage of your culture’s total counties within that area. They represent concepts and technologies that were specific to certain areas historically, rather than spreading across large areas of the globe, but which could very easily have been developed by any culture moving into that area.

Needless to say, innovations, the bonuses they provide, and the mechanics they unlock are all fully scriptable and can be modded with ease.

But how do I *unlock* an innovation?
All innovations have a small chance to progress towards being unlocked per month, affected by a few factors, with the most telling one being average development of the sum counties a culture holds. A culture that spreads recklessly will have naturally slower growth than one that exists in concentrated pockets of high development.

The major ways generation progress towards unlocking innovations are setting fascinations and exposure. Each of these affect only a single innovation at a time, though both happen simultaneously.

Exposure is a natural process, occurring when your culture has counties that border another culture with a specific innovation. The more you have in common (culture group, religion, and so on) with that other culture, and the more of its counties your culture borders, the faster you’ll unlock that innovation.

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Fascination, by contrast, is an entirely character-driven process, reflecting the drive of powerful leaders to introduce new concepts and technologies (be they original or imported) to their people. Where exposure is selected randomly from suitable innovations, fascination is deliberately selected by a specific character.

Who gets to pick? Why, the cultural head.

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Any culture with at least one landed ruler somewhere has a cultural head, who then has complete control over which fascination is selected from available innovations. The cultural head always shares the culture they are the head of, and is the character with the most counties of that culture within their sub-realm in the world.

As you can imagine, the size of the culture makes a difference in how easy it is to become (and stay) cultural head: there are many more Andalusian counties than there are, say, Cornish ones.

An important factor in unlocking innovations via fascination is the learning skill of the cultural head. An unlearned cultural head doesn’t do much to bring new ideas and technologies to their people, but an erudite scholar knows who to invite to court, how to phrase ideas in a way the peasants will accept, and how to get the nobility to see the benefit of embracing a foreign concept!

Eras
You might be thinking that this sounds a little bit disorganised. What stops me, say, unlocking bombards in the 900s and blowing my enemies away with oversized canons for the next five hundred years?

The answer to that is eras.

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In CK3, all innovations are organised into one of four eras, before being categorised into military, civic, or special. In order to begin unlocking innovations from an era, you need to have actually reached that era.

If an innovation belongs to the Tribal Era, no problem. All cultures start with the tribal era reached, and many primarily-feudal cultures will start with most (if not all) of its innovations unlocked, especially in 1066.

For the eras beyond that (the Early Medieval, High Medieval, and Late Medieval), you need to meet two criteria. The date must be at least an appropriate minimum year (e.g., the high medieval period cannot start before 1050 AD), and you must have at least 50% of the preceding era’s innovations unlocked. Further, if your cultural head is tribal, you will be unable to progress to the next era until you obtain a non-tribal cultural head. Cultures that have just left the Tribal Era will unlock innovations faster for a time, allowing them to catch up a little as medieval social and legal structures begin sweeping their lands.

Eras therefore let us gate technologies and features in stages, so that cultures which thrived in later centuries can still use their special bonuses, units, and features, but don’t get them too anachronistically.

Aaaand that about wraps it up for cultures and technology! I’ll be around the thread to answer questions for the next couple of hours, but otherwise, we’ll see you next week!
 

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The Indian caste system lacks realism. The traditional “4 varnas” caste system has little to no effect among Dravidians, Buddhists, and Jain societies. Most of the Dravidian rulers hailed from agricultural castes. Also, the Gupta era Indian rulers like Chandragupta Maurya or Ashoka the Great weren’t part of the Kshatriya caste.

Cultural/Religious melting pot
I wish religious conversion will change the Names for characters, but revolving around on the ruler’s culture and religion there must be some variations. For example:
- A Shia Persian ruler, after taking control of a province “X”, converts the people to his religion. Once converted, the characters from the province X must have both Islamic and Persian names.
- With a Sunni Arab ruler, the province X characters will only have Islamic/Arabic names.
- If a catholic Italian ruler converts the province X, the characters must show up Italian names.
- Or instead of Italian, if the ruler is Portuguese, the province X characters must show Portuguese names.
There are many names that are not religion-based but language-based, converted characters might preserve those names.
 
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Is strange that basque culture ends exactly in the nowadays france-spain border and doesn't even include territories of france that still are basque nowadays
 
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Very nice news!

Actually, yes! :) Per the dev diary, if either a certain percentage of counties within Scandinavia were to become Irish, or if a certain total percentage of Irish counties were in Scandinavia, you'd be able to start unlocking the longships innovation, as your culture would have effectively become a part of the Scandinavian cultural sphere.

A cultural sphere and a culture group are the same? Does that mean that cultures can change in which culture group they belong over time? If not, what it is mecanically in the game?

French will just be Occitan and French at release. :) A little unfair, I know, but polishing the culture map is one of those tasks that we can keep going at on and on and on forever. Aaaaaaaand, to be honest, probably will. So, as with most other culture fractalising suggestions so far, never say never!

If culture group change is a thing maybe in the first start date of 867 catalan culture could belong in the French-Occitan culture group. In a language sense old catalan was very related to occitan. And in these times the catalan counties were tied to french control by the hispanic march. Then, over the centuries that culture could shift towards the rest of "latin iberia".

Aside of that I have another question: does the relation between diferent culture groups depend on each pair like diferent faiths do or it is the same with all of them (independtly of location or similarity)?
 
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I’m sure everything will get extra attention in the future. It’s just a never ending process because of the scale of the problem - the new areas will be improved until the areas that were strong at launch look bad, then the process repeats.
 
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Question for the Devs:

How does the requirement for having a non-tribal cultural head to advance beyond the tribal age work? E.g. if I am a tribal and convert to Greek (because I want those sweet, sweet techs they have), and eventually turn all of the steppes Greek under my hegemony (and thus eke out the ERE as largest greek subrealm ruled by a greek), will Greek culture stop acquiring advances from later ages, only be stopped from advancing to a new age, or be able to function as normal because they left the tribal age already? I suppose they could lose access to all innovations from ages beyond the tribal age, but that is a bizarre idea (Basileous Temujin of the Mongol Empire is now Greek Cultural Head. I guess we can't have primogeniture any more)
 
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Two of my favourite games are Cornwall and Srathclyde so that British culture map is very exciting. The Picts and the barbarian usurpers are both holding rightful Cumbrian clay
 
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I wish there were more Norse melting pots. They almost need one for each area of the coastline, since they tended to end up all over the place and Norse would stick around somewhere like Sardinia into something like 1200, long after Scandinavia lost Norse culture completely.
 
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I wish there were more Norse melting pots. They almost need one for each area of the coastline, since they tended to end up all over the place and Norse would stick around on Sardinia into something like 1200, long after Scandinavia lost Norse culture completely.
I like the principal idea, though to implement it, there should be a kind of 'southern Norman'. I don't know, how feasible it will be to have unique melting pots for and between every culture, however a few more between Norse and a particular culture group might be possible. Even if that were the case, it will need to be somewhat reasonably possible, the more exotic possibilities will probably remain a matter for mods.
 
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Maybe they could design hybrid Cultures sort of the way they designed the Hybrid Bloodlines, with minimal boni/maluses for each culture. So if French and Italian Cultures merge in a particular play through, we'll be able to actually see what such a culture would look, taste, and feel like.

The Angevin Sicilian Culture that peaked during the High Middle Ages is a perfect example of merged cultures creating something better, and far prettier, than the sum of its parts.

I'd like to see that kind of possibility for the rest of the Game World...
 
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I think a dynamic melting pot system that both creates interesting cultural melanges and doesn't result in the entire map looking like a weird gooey mess is possible (although difficult) and exciting! The idea of ruling as like, idk, an irish-igbo empire is pretty novel. If it happens at all I predict it will probably be part of DLC down the road, however.

I am glad to at least see some ability to have cultures adopt technology from other cultures at least (if I'm understanding the diary right.) That in and of itself is a step towards the dynamic melting pot system that I see many proposing (and that you have just seen me propose.)
 
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I like the principal idea, though to implement it, there should be a kind of 'southern Norman'. I don't know, how feasible it will be to have unique melting pots for and between every culture, however a few more between Norse and a particular culture group might be possible. Even if that were the case, it will need to be somewhat reasonably possible, the more exotic possibilities will probably remain a matter for mods.
Perhaps "southern Norman" is one of the options that leads into Sicillian?
 
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Not to get all of you off topic on what your discussing but since this is the culture Dev diary, I thought this may be a good time to ask all of you if you know anything about it as I haven’t seen anything myself.

Have they decided to give cultural title names to characters Other than just the Basileus?

Examples For King’s/Emperor’s
Rey - Spanish
Re - Sicilian/Italian
Roi - French/Norman
Kaiser - H.R.E
 
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Not to get all of you off topic on what your discussing but since this is the culture Dev diary, I thought this may be a good time to ask all of you if you know anything about it as I haven’t seen anything myself.

Have they decided to give cultural title names to characters Other than just the Basileus?

Examples For King’s/Emperor’s
Rey - Spanish
Re - Sicilian/Italian
Roi - French/Norman
Kaiser - H.R.E
Well, Kaiser was already in CK2, but according to the pics in this thread, not here (at least not yet).
 
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Well, Kaiser was already in CK2, but according to the pics in this thread, not here (at least not yet).

Yeah I remember CK2 having Kaiser, but like you said from the pictures we haven’t even seen that in the game as of now. Hopefully that changes, I’d be completely on board with a game rule to toggle it on or off for those who don’t like it.
 
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Very nice changes. However, is "Gaelic" a correct term for proto-Scottish? I mean, Irish are also Gaelic. I suppose that "Gaelic" represents the Irish who settled in Scotland (Dal Riata). Maybe Irish split from Gaelic?
Scottish Gaelic, presumably. I'm not sure about it being a linguistic/cultural majority in Pictland/Alba/Scotland as of 867. 1066 is obvious though.
 
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