CKIII Dev Diary #27 - Cultures & Cultural Innovations

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I want to know; that since technology is related to culture; if I’m a Celtic ruler and own a lot of Norse provinces; will I be able to have Viking Longships?
 
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So Crusader Kings finally has embraced the division of the Middle Ages in Dark Age, Feudal Age, Castle Age and Imperial Age :p

Wait until you read the next Dev Diary on monks and religious conversion - it’s titled Woolooloo
 
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Very nice changes. However, is "Gaelic" a correct term for proto-Scottish? I mean, Irish are also Gaelic. I suppose that "Gaelic" represents the Irish who settled in Scotland (Dal Riata). Maybe Irish split from Gaelic?
 
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Oooh. Could you be so kind as to say what does that "Reconquista" innovation does for the hispanic catholics? Sounds exciting
 
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What the game really needs is minority cultures/religion. Maybe not everywhere as some regions were monolithic. But there should be the option to have minorities in counties. That way they don't get eradicated as time goes on.
 
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Sorry to come at you with criticism, but if you're going to remove Carantanian culture, can you at least change the region's culture from Croatian to Bavarian? Bavarians had hedgemony over modern-day Slovenia from the 9th century onwards, so there's at least *some* reason for them to be there, while Croatian has almost no place being represented in the area at all. The lack of a culture that existed in the same region since the 6th century, which is the basis of a modern nation state, and which was already featured in CK2 (although with inaccurate naming conventions), kinda stings.
 
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So Crusader Kings finally has embraced the division of the Middle Ages in Dark Age, Feudal Age, Castle Age and Imperial Age :p
Except that the eras in one Review article was named as tribal, early medieval, high medieval and late medieval.
 
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Given the tie of culture and tech (very cool, I approve), what about the draw for rulers to convert to their local cultures and how will the AI handle this?

One of the things I don't like about many Paradox games is that it seems pretty easy for one stray ruler to convert an entire other region halfway across the continent.
 
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Speaking of cultures, vaguely, will "Poganstvo" be changed? In most slavic languages it means... very bad things... so far there has been no word on the devs thoughts about this. Understandable that it's not slavic since "Slavic Faith" group but still. Being derogatory seems like a step back.

It literally means Paganism, which is still used massively by CK2 even though it's a derogatory term.
 
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One of the things I don't like about many Paradox games is that it seems pretty easy for one stray ruler to convert an entire other region halfway across the continent.
Would be better if culture conversion (speed? ability?) depended on how far/close the region being converted is from other regions with the same culture. Would encourage people to convert things in regions close to said cultures rather than whatever they want.

It literally means Paganism, which is still used massively by CK2 even though it's a derogatory term.
Depends on which language, many Slavs have issue with it. In Russian it just means Filth for example. Discussion has already been had about this for a few pages in the related thread. Bare minimum for the faith should be to not have a negative meaning in any of the languages.
 
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This is a nice new direction for CKIII to take, looking forward to geting my hands on it.


But eeeeh... *insert meme picture here* Ya'll got some more of those culture mapmode screenshots?
 
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Cool work! Although are their any culture maps of the full 867 start date? I’ve seen some full 1066 going around but the 867 one cuts out most of Africa and Asia.
Another question is whether Coptic culture will be in Egypt, since the 106) start date doesn’t have it...
The game just keeps getting better, cultures went from being literally useless in Ck2 to having what seems like a major game mechanic in ck3!
:) Glad you like it! We currently don't have Coptic in, but that's not to say it's been axed forever.

Can you give us peak at some of the “special innovations” :)
;) Screenshot #6 m'friend.

Why is it a good idea to have static era dates? Wouldn't it make much more sense to have dynamic criteria?

What happens, for instance, if your culture has unlocked everything available for its time period? It just has to wait for the right year to arrive before it can progress further?
The title is balanced so that such a situation is unlikely to commonly appear (i.e., maybe once per game for the player if they were *really* trying to break-neck progress through innovations and little else), but here, I'm afraid that yes, that is the case. You can definitely be quite far ahead technologically, you can even be immensely far ahead of less developed cultures, but there is that slight upper limit to exactly how much more advanced you can be.

This was pretty cool! It would be cool to have the full list of cultures, i'm really excited for that.

Also are the melting pots and culture splits the same as in CK2 or are there new ones too?
Most of the old ones from CK2, a handful of new ones, and hopefully many more to come over time! :D Cultures are a lot of fun to make and implement, but we've also got to do a fair amount of research to try and get them right, so it's something we'll doubtless add to going forwards.

Speaking of cultures, vaguely, will "Poganstvo" be changed? In most slavic languages it means... very bad things... so far there has been no word on the devs thoughts about this. Understandable that it's not slavic since "Slavic Faith" group but still. Being derogatory seems like a step back.
:) Poganstvo has been changed.

I don't know how I feel about Anglo-Saxons as a single culture. In 867, there seems to have been a distinction between the Angles of Northumbria, Mercia, and East Anglia, as opposed to the southern Saxons. Alfred the Great began the efforts of unifying the two cultures, but Mercians continued considering themselves different people from the Saxons long after his death. Therefore, I'd suggest that in 867, there would be cultures of Saxon and Anglish, but in 1066 they would have melted into Anglo-Saxon.
This is something that's been discussed a little internally, but we've no firm plans on it yet, and it won't be like this for launch, I'm afraid.

Is there a Briton culture? What about Icelandic?
Not quite sure what you mean by "Briton": we have three Brythonic cultures (Cornish, Welsh, & Breton), but Briton in the Roman sense is long-dead by 867, and British in the modern sense is almost a thousand years away. Icelandic, as in CK2, is represented by Iceland alone retaining Norse culture in 1066.

Does the technology you have access to, say succession laws, depend on the characters culture or the province culture of the capital?

What prevents some scottish backwater noble to culture flip to greek or have his heir educated as greek and immediately gain access to all innovations unlocked by Byzantium?
Character culture! And, well, sure! I don't think your vassals are likely to necessarily take that well, and the peasants will resent some uppity foreigner coming in and telling them that their traditions are bunkum (at least until you educate them till they think they're Greek too). Selling your local traditions down the line for technological advancement is, sadly, a bit of a human tradition, I'm afraid.

So Crusader Kings finally has embraced the division of the Middle Ages in Dark Age, Feudal Age, Castle Age and Imperial Age :p
Naturally. We have, pre-emptively, mined all stone from the new map, so only PDS will be able to build castles, but that's more of a security thing, you understand.

What if I am the Head of more than just one culture?
:) Characters only get one culture, and you can't be the head of a culture you don't belong to.

Is it possible to change character Culture?
It is, though not necessarily easily.

Does this imply that cultural heads don't have to be independant, some of the earlier screenshots seem to imply they had to be independant?

Also how hard a requirment is there on the system for there to always be a cultural head?

Will there be cultures without cultural heads? Will they be at a disadvantage / only gain through exposure?

How does changing culture work as a non-member? I suppose there is no county level tech now?

I am so in love with this system with how you've taken the most un-fleshed out parts of CK2 and combined them but I have so many things to wrap my head around.

This is a departure though. Does this not clamp down on or entirely eliminate staying tribal long term, which was very much viable in CK2 tech economy and taxes be damned.
Cultural heads do not have to be independent. Indeed, many won't be, since we have more than a few mighty empires scattered around that totally subsume cultures within their borders.

It is actually technically possible not to have a head (you'd need to have absolutely _no_ landed rulers of that culture), but you're not disadvantaged for it. Such cultures just get a random fascination and innovate as though they had a cultural head with poor (but not terrible) learning.

Nope, no county tech levels any more! I'm afraid I'm unsure what ye mean about changing culture as a non-member.

It certainly makes it harder. If you're really determined, you can still do it, but your neighbours will slowly begin to outpace you technologically over time.
 
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Now we have seen gameplay videos, can you give us any indication if you be allowing/releasing and “let’s plays” or extended gameplay previews?
 
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I reeeeeaaaaaaaaly hope there will be a Silesian melting pot culture at some point... But I guess that hope is for naught :(
 
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Will spouses' culture have an effect on culture opinion?
 
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There are some areas where the cultural head will be obvious and never changing. The Byzantine emperor will almost always be the head of the Greek culture, for example. But there are also areas where that may not necessarily be the case. In India in the 1066 start date, at least in CK2, there are 2 Telugu dukes of roughly equal strength who together own all of the Telugu provinces. If one of them became more powerful than the other, then would that duke become the new cultural head, or would the old cultural head have to die first? Would it be possible to become the new cultural head even if most of their provinces were of a different culture? Are province sizes or importance taken into account (like say even though you own more provinces than me, I own Paris which counts a lot more than your provinces.)
 
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:) Poganstvo has been changed.
Thank you. <3 Whatever it has been changed to I'm sure it's an improvement.

Much like everything we have seen of CK3, improvement after improvement.

You build a house on a solid foundation, and so far this foundation looks really good.
 
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  • Hearts of Iron IV: Death or Dishonor
  • Cities: Skylines - Green Cities
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Expansion Pass
  • Stellaris: Humanoids Species Pack
  • Stellaris: Apocalypse
  • Europa Universalis IV: Rule Britannia
  • Cities: Skylines - Parklife Pre-Order
  • Battle for Bosporus
  • Europa Universalis 4: Emperor
  • Imperator: Rome - Magna Graecia
  • Cities: Skylines - Campus
  • Europa Universalis IV: Golden Century
  • Stellaris: Federations
  • Europa Universalis IV: Dharma
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Crusader Kings II: Holy Fury
  • Prison Architect
  • Stellaris: Lithoids
  • Stellaris: Distant Stars
  • Cities: Skylines
  • Europa Universalis IV: El Dorado
  • Crusader Kings II: Way of Life
  • Europa Universalis IV: Common Sense
  • Crusader Kings II: Horse Lords
  • Crusader Kings III: Royal Edition
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
  • Europa Universalis IV: Pre-order
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Europa Universalis IV: Cossacks
While the culture system certainly seems interesting I cannot ignore the glaring and quite frankly offensive mistake this Dev Diary as shown.
The proud County of Devon is not, will not and has never been Cornish!
 
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