CKIII Dev Diary #27 - Cultures & Cultural Innovations

CKIII Dev Diary #27 - Cultures & Cultural Innovations

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Not quite sure what you mean by "Briton": we have three Brythonic cultures (Cornish, Welsh, & Breton), but Briton in the Roman sense is long-dead by 867, and British in the modern sense is almost a thousand years away. Icelandic, as in CK2, is represented by Iceland alone retaining Norse culture in 1066.
Are Picts going to be represented as Brythonic as well, or will they be an isolated insular celtic culture?
 
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I was on board until I saw the Low Countries.

(Dutch replaces Frisian, Franconian/Frankish remains unaffected?)
Dutch should not replace Frisian everywhere, true Zeeland, Holland and Utrecht should/could flip from Frisian to Dutch between 867 and 1066. West-Friesland, Frisia, Dokkum(??) and Ostfriesland should stay Frisian at all starts.
Franconian is fine for Jülich. Flanders and Brabant OTOH should also become Dutch or start as such. Linguistically the distinction between Low Frankish and Franconian (Rhineland and Franconia) started before 867 (High German Consonant Shift).
Still a Dev responded, that they will take another look at the Low Countries.
 

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Dutch should not replace Frisian everywhere, true Zeeland, Holland and Utrecht should/could flip from Frisian to Dutch between 867 and 1066. West-Friesland, Frisia, Dokkum(??) and Ostfriesland should stay Frisian at all starts.
Franconian is fine for Jülich. Flanders and Brabant OTOH should also become Dutch or start as such. Linguistically the distinction between Low Frankish and Franconian (Rhineland and Franconia) started before 867 (High German Consonant Shift).
Still a Dev responded, that they will take another look at the Low Countries.
Nah. Dutch should not replace Frisian anywhere. They're completely different languages.

What I meant is that (at least for 867) Frisian should be in Holland (West Frisia) and Frisia (Middle and East Frisia). Franconian should be split in 2 (Salian and Ripuarian) or even 3 (Central Franconian, Rhenish Franconian, and Low Franconian/Dutch).

Low Franconian/Dutch should also be present in Flanders.
 

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Greetings, dear friends, and welcome to the cultural dev diary! Today, we’re going to be going over some familiar mechanics from CK2, and, relatedly, our decidedly less familiar all-new tech system!

Cultures & Culture Groups
The basic structure of the cultural system will be fairly recognisable to many of you. Every county and character on the map has a culture, representing (usually) the majority demographic for that county or the preferred customs of that character. Most cultures are based around a language, but some focus more on dialect or specific bodies of tradition, and a few are even primarily just regional.

Every culture, in turn, belongs to a culture group. These are gatherings of several cultures that, whilst distinct from one another, are nevertheless closely related. Most often this is down to a shared root culture, but in a few cases cultures have entered the same group merely by cohabiting for a long period of time.

Characters who come from completely different cultures like each other less, with characters who come from different cultures within the same group taking a reduced penalty. Like CK2, this only matters within your realm, so you won’t get grumpy at your neighbour for being different unless you’re occasionally required to talk to the lad.

Cultural preferences carry over to the peasantry: if the lord who directly holds a particular county doesn’t share that county’s culture, then that county will take a hit to popular opinion (with the hit being smaller if they’re at least part of the same culture group).

Of course, as this is only the direct holder of a county, having a good friend who understands the local customs in charge of all these strange foreign peasants can be an excellent way to stave off peasant revolts...

But what about...
… Melting pots and culture splits? Still got ‘em! We’ve even got some fancy new scripted effects to make it easier than ever to add your own.

Culture conversion is also more easily accessible: per the council task dev diary, this is now a council task, performed by your steward. You can attempt to culture convert any county in your sub-realm, though without an excellent steward or certain types of faith, it’ll likely take a while. People seldom change their culture quickly or willingly.

Show us the good stuff!
Ahhhhhh, you want to see some maps? See how granular we’re getting with our cultural setup this time around? Well, maps I’ve got! How many new cultures can you pick out?

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Cultural & Technology
In CK3, cultures mean a lot more than just a few points of opinion here and there. Cultures are now an integral part of our reworked system for technology, with eras, explicit innovations, and mechanics for tussling over the cultural heart of your people.

Innovations
Innovations are the very heart of CK3’s technological system. Each one represents a thorough proliferation of an idea, a legal practice, or a specific technology, taken to heart by any given culture, or still weird and foreign no matter its advantages. As the game progresses, cultures will slowly become more and more accustomed to the various innovations, until each innovation is thoroughly embraced and ubiquitous amongst the people of that culture. At that point, an innovation is considered “unlocked”, and its unique benefits are accessible to characters and counties of the unlocking culture.

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Benefits for each innovation vary tremendously between them. Some unlock new and better forms of succession law, some give bonuses to growth or income, some allow access to specific Men-at-Arms, or even grant entirely new CBs. We have innovations for everything from battlements to bombards, from coinage to cranes, and wootz steel to wierdijks!

Innovations broadly fall into one of three categories: military, civic, and special (a.k.a, "Cultural and Regional"), each grouped together in the interface.

Military and civic innovations typically cover what you might expect (martial and non-martial matters, respectively). All cultures can, eventually, acquire all military and civic innovations.

Special innovations behave a bit differently. A few are unlocked via special decisions and can only be acquired by taking those decisions, whilst some are cultural, requiring you to belong to a specific culture or culture group, but most are regional innovations.

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Regional innovations require you to either have at least a certain number of counties within a specific area to unlock, or else to have a certain percentage of your culture’s total counties within that area. They represent concepts and technologies that were specific to certain areas historically, rather than spreading across large areas of the globe, but which could very easily have been developed by any culture moving into that area.

Needless to say, innovations, the bonuses they provide, and the mechanics they unlock are all fully scriptable and can be modded with ease.

But how do I *unlock* an innovation?
All innovations have a small chance to progress towards being unlocked per month, affected by a few factors, with the most telling one being average development of the sum counties a culture holds. A culture that spreads recklessly will have naturally slower growth than one that exists in concentrated pockets of high development.

The major ways generation progress towards unlocking innovations are setting fascinations and exposure. Each of these affect only a single innovation at a time, though both happen simultaneously.

Exposure is a natural process, occurring when your culture has counties that border another culture with a specific innovation. The more you have in common (culture group, religion, and so on) with that other culture, and the more of its counties your culture borders, the faster you’ll unlock that innovation.

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Fascination, by contrast, is an entirely character-driven process, reflecting the drive of powerful leaders to introduce new concepts and technologies (be they original or imported) to their people. Where exposure is selected randomly from suitable innovations, fascination is deliberately selected by a specific character.

Who gets to pick? Why, the cultural head.

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Any culture with at least one landed ruler somewhere has a cultural head, who then has complete control over which fascination is selected from available innovations. The cultural head always shares the culture they are the head of, and is the character with the most counties of that culture within their sub-realm in the world.

As you can imagine, the size of the culture makes a difference in how easy it is to become (and stay) cultural head: there are many more Andalusian counties than there are, say, Cornish ones.

An important factor in unlocking innovations via fascination is the learning skill of the cultural head. An unlearned cultural head doesn’t do much to bring new ideas and technologies to their people, but an erudite scholar knows who to invite to court, how to phrase ideas in a way the peasants will accept, and how to get the nobility to see the benefit of embracing a foreign concept!

Eras
You might be thinking that this sounds a little bit disorganised. What stops me, say, unlocking bombards in the 900s and blowing my enemies away with oversized canons for the next five hundred years?

The answer to that is eras.

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In CK3, all innovations are organised into one of four eras, before being categorised into military, civic, or special. In order to begin unlocking innovations from an era, you need to have actually reached that era.

If an innovation belongs to the Tribal Era, no problem. All cultures start with the tribal era reached, and many primarily-feudal cultures will start with most (if not all) of its innovations unlocked, especially in 1066.

For the eras beyond that (the Early Medieval, High Medieval, and Late Medieval), you need to meet two criteria. The date must be at least an appropriate minimum year (e.g., the high medieval period cannot start before 1050 AD), and you must have at least 50% of the preceding era’s innovations unlocked. Further, if your cultural head is tribal, you will be unable to progress to the next era until you obtain a non-tribal cultural head. Cultures that have just left the Tribal Era will unlock innovations faster for a time, allowing them to catch up a little as medieval social and legal structures begin sweeping their lands.

Eras therefore let us gate technologies and features in stages, so that cultures which thrived in later centuries can still use their special bonuses, units, and features, but don’t get them too anachronistically.

Aaaand that about wraps it up for cultures and technology! I’ll be around the thread to answer questions for the next couple of hours, but otherwise, we’ll see you next week!
Will there be more names in a culture than in CK2? And will we be able to use Cyrillic and or special characters like: Ž,Đ,Ć,Š,Č?
 

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Not to get all of you off topic on what your discussing but since this is the culture Dev diary, I thought this may be a good time to ask all of you if you know anything about it as I haven’t seen anything myself.

Have they decided to give cultural title names to characters Other than just the Basileus?

Examples For King’s/Emperor’s
Rey - Spanish
Re - Sicilian/Italian
Roi - French/Norman
Kaiser - H.R.E
Some cultures seem to have their titles in place, others don't.
 
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Some cultures seem to have their titles in place, others don't.
it seems much localization/editing is left to be done, based on typos which still exist in county names and elsewhere. I wouldn't be surprised if this sort of work is left for last, considering it's quite basic and simple work that can't really result in bugs.
 

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Hmm.. I like this but one thought... How does charachter culture shift works now? will I get alot of free stuff by
shifting to my "forced-cuncubine"´s alot more advanced culture? Or will I be restricted from changing culture at all when I am in a far-behind one? I don't know what one I would prefer, one sounds gamey and one sounds dull. The middle option where I can change but need to personally catch up with all new ideas would be cool but probably very heavy, if each charachter needs to personally grasp all cultural ideas.
 
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The era range on the era screen shot makes me suspect we might see DLC that adds a start date right at the fall of western rome. I would love to see that.
Unlikely.

The work needed to fill all the holdings with vaguely accurate cultures and religions, much less title holders and heirarchies would be prohibitive.

Also the mechanics of the game are more about a time when kingdoms are coming together, rather than empires crumbling.
 

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The era range on the era screen shot makes me suspect we might see DLC that adds a start date right at the fall of western rome. I would love to see that.
I may be wrong but I believe somewhere the devs mentioned that having a date too close to the actual 867 start date caused some bugs, so they moved it back to an earlier date and picked 476 because it was a nice number everyone knows, and fits the traditional periodization of history with 476 as the traditional "border" between classical antiquity and the medieval era.
 

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I may be wrong but I believe somewhere the devs mentioned that having a date too close to the actual 867 start date caused some bugs, so they moved it back to an earlier date and picked 476 because it was a nice number everyone knows, and fits the traditional periodization of history with 476 as the traditional "border" between classical antiquity and the medieval era.
This was on Reddit, yes.
 
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476 would never work, 769 was bad enough as it is, considering how many fictional rulers it had and how much of it made no sense, not even mentioning balance issues. then of course the game mechanics just wouldn't make sense in 476
 
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476 would never work, 769 was bad enough as it is, considering how many fictional rulers it had and how much of it made no sense, not even mentioning balance issues. then of course the game mechanics just wouldn't make sense in 476
It could work fairly well enough in 622, though. I am still confused about why 476 was picked. Perhaps they really needed to go that far back to stop bugs.
 

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It could work fairly well enough in 622, though. I am still confused about why 476 was picked. Perhaps they really needed to go that far back to stop bugs.
Here's what Meneth said:

Meneth said:
There was a bug report that the Tribal era has no start date; it showed as "-950". The simplest fix was just to add a fallback date for eras with no beginning, for which I decided 476 was the least arbitrary date. Though still real arbitrary, since it'll happily say that in India too.
 

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It could work fairly well enough in 622, though. I am still confused about why 476 was picked. Perhaps they really needed to go that far back to stop bugs.
The Rise of Islam would be a nice cut-off point, and one I'd wager some scholars of Late Antiquity and the early medieval period might see as a better cut-off date, but I think it might be a bit too esoteric a number for many people with only pop history knowledge, so 476 was kind a of an obvious number most people would recognize - at least that's the logic of the devs' decision I'm assuming.
 

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It could work fairly well enough in 622, though. I am still confused about why 476 was picked. Perhaps they really needed to go that far back to stop bugs.
I'd also suggest they want to stay *well* away from having Muhammed in game.

The publicity for "this new game lets you turn Muhammed into a demon worshipping, pig eating, gay eunuch" is negative in the extreme.
 
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I'd also suggest they want to stay *well* away from having Muhammed in game.

The publicity for "this new game lets you turn Muhammed into a demon worshipping, pig eating, gay eunuch" is negative in the extreme.
Just give him a special non-playable character flag or something ... I'm sure the monstrous changes to history is the least of the problems in representing already so controversial a character ...
 

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Just give him a special non-playable character flag or something ... I'm sure the monstrous changes to history is the least of the problems in representing already so controversial a character ...
even if he were non-playable you could still interact with him via various unsavory game mechanics. they will never touch this in any game they make.