I think that CKII will need a judicial system too. I always wanted to interfere more with my court and be able to punish them if they misbehave... I mean i d like to have the choice to imprison a courtier if he is opposing me or conspiring against me or order his execution or mutilate him (since i like to play as part of the Byzantine Empire having opponents blinded or castrated was just usual stuff). There could be an option too if u have a legal case of your own to adress to your liege to act as a judge/arbitrator. Plus there could be some church penalties to for characters like "your marshal slew the Archbishop" and u can have the options either execute him, send him to prison or send him to the Holy Lands for penance... Or "your carnal sins have enraged the Bishop/Pope" options: repent or who cares? or leave for a pilgrimage leaving your realm under a regent till u get back (if u get back)
CKII Judicial System
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Well, by the XII or XIII century, some kingdoms were creating codes of law, based on the Code of Justinian but with contributions from various Germanic or other local laws, and sometimes under the influence of Islamic laws (such as Castille) and Classical jurisprudence. This worked towards greater royal legitimacy and also gave you a scapegoat for handling controversy. I would imagine that each councilor could be head of his or her own ministry (or at least a proto-ministry) that would try its own members, each group of which would have its own privileges. How this would work out in practice might depend on relations between the Crown and the group in question and issues of the Crown's administrative capacity (similar to the function in Magna Mundi). So, the marshal would be the highest military judge, the "spiritual lord" the highest ecclesiastical, etc. (This system continued to evolve until the early nineteenth century, but of course we still have courts-martial and in some places binding courts of religious law).
Of course, for the Byzantine Empire, if you were thinking of doing a mod for law courts, you would study the Code of Justinian and related works and come up with something workable (see http://www.freewebs.com/vitaphone1/history/justinianc.html). Or you could just rule arbitrarily, but that should diminish your subjects' opinion of you. Of course, if your military tribunal decided to have your personal enemy tortured then executed, you might still come off as a "just" ruler. Not exactly what you had in mind Don_giorgio but still a consideration.
Of course, for the Byzantine Empire, if you were thinking of doing a mod for law courts, you would study the Code of Justinian and related works and come up with something workable (see http://www.freewebs.com/vitaphone1/history/justinianc.html). Or you could just rule arbitrarily, but that should diminish your subjects' opinion of you. Of course, if your military tribunal decided to have your personal enemy tortured then executed, you might still come off as a "just" ruler. Not exactly what you had in mind Don_giorgio but still a consideration.
I agree. In Western Europe, nobles weren't executed left and right at the whim of the Liege, that was the best way to get oneself deposed or with a general rebellion of noblemen. It's one of the main reasons why John Lackland got imposed a Magna Carta, because he was accused personally of murder.
Nobles had the privilege of being judged by a court of his peers in front of the King. So there should be a decision in which nobles can be arrested, but cannot be banished or executed without a "Guilty" event.
Nobles had the privilege of being judged by a court of his peers in front of the King. So there should be a decision in which nobles can be arrested, but cannot be banished or executed without a "Guilty" event.
How about 2 Judicial systems? one for western Europe and one for Byzantine Empire? Eastern Romans were really innovative in punishments... lol
I think that like a lot of things judicial systems should be an incremental thing, ranging from the monarch deciding life and death on his own authority to a formal judiciary, whose decisions even the king was bound to uphold.