CKII Game of the Week/Month

[blaidd]

shit did I only post the screenshot with those last 2 provinces outside?

Yes. The latest screenshot you posted is still missing Orkney, up in the north of Scotland.

If you stay at war permanently and are quick on the trigger you can farm gold just by moving around razing holding after holding

Oh yeah, I knew that. It's the only way I can afford to keep mercs in the field early game.

If that were the case then savegames need to be provided. Since the majority of characters stats are randomised at game start.

Well, that's true I suppose. I've never started a game and decided to keep restarting it until I got a good council. I guess it never occurred to me. I like playing the crappy hands the computer deals out. Not everyone does. That's understandable. But there are lots of ways the RNG can totally screw you in this game. I've had games as a count where I had a 20+ chancellor and it still took me 50 years to fabricate one claim even moving him around my neighbors periodically. 50 years. That's longer than most of these challenge games are taking to complete. Almost everything that happens is completely luck based. You can have 490 piety saved up for an invasion and your ruler just drops dead for no reason, totally screwing you out of getting a fast time. Actually, this is starting to sound like an argument for why people should be able to reload as much as they want, so I'll just let it go.

I'm going to continue playing the game the way I play it and you guys play it the way you play it. As long as everyone is having fun, that's the important part.

Piety for Britannia was because I conquered all of Englands holdings, meaning all those temples paid for it.

What? I'm not sure I follow this. Are you saying you get piety for sacking Bishoprics? That seems a bit strange. I never noticed.

I KNOW that I will never make the Top 3. The top guys are using exploits I've never even thought of........I guess I play the game as intended.....

It sounds like you're playing the game about the way I play normally. I do good to conquer a Duchy or two with each character. Mostly, once I acquired my de jure borders, I fight wars for my allies and expand through marriage or pressing claims acquired through marriages. The funnest thing for me is to play as a Duke. I've got one game in the 1280s where my character's brothers own 2/3rds of England, Ireland, and Britanny and I'm still just a Duke. If I played normally the way I do for these challenges I would have a World Conquest before the Mongols arrive and most likely would quit from boredom way before that.

It's still pretty interesting to play this way though, for short fast games. It makes you think about how to be more efficient. Although, honestly, it has been decreasing my fondness for the game slightly by highlighting some of the weaknesses in the mechanics. Once you discover some of these tricks it is pretty hard not to take advantage of them when you get into a tight spot in the game. =P

 

[unmerged(633385)]

Well, that's true I suppose. I've never started a game and decided to keep restarting it until I got a good council. I guess it never occurred to me. I like playing the crappy hands the computer deals out. Not everyone does. That's understandable. But there are lots of ways the RNG can totally screw you in this game. I've had games as a count where I had a 20+ chancellor and it still took me 50 years to fabricate one claim even moving him around my neighbors periodically. 50 years. That's longer than most of these challenge games are taking to complete. Almost everything that happens is completely luck based. You can have 490 piety saved up for an invasion and your ruler just drops dead for no reason, totally screwing you out of getting a fast time. Actually, this is starting to sound like an argument for why people should be able to reload as much as they want, so I'll just let it go.

I'm going to continue playing the game the way I play it and you guys play it the way you play it. As long as everyone is having fun, that's the important part.

It sounds like you are starting to come around, but you need more convincing. Pisa is my least favorite republic to play, but I decided to at least give it a shot for the challenge. The first ruler I rolled was a 3 stewardship Flamboyant Schemer. Not exactly a great start for a Doge, so I did a restart. My second guy rolled 0 diplomacy, but at least he had 6 stewardship so I decided to give it a go. As you might imagine with that diplomacy, everyone hated me and levies were very poor. Immediately after initial setup and unpausing, Genoa declared war for a trade post. I managed to force a white peace using gamey tactics, but it took 13 years and left me broke. All of the nearest trade post territory is full and everyone still hates me. If I saved up for about 3 years, I could have built one trade post in the nearest available territory. Didn't get that far though. I was excommunicated. The HRE declared war and I ragequit.

Restarted and got a decent, normal ruler. Everything went smoothly and a decent number of trade posts were built in the first decade to get things going. I doubt I finish the challenge though. I just don't like Pisa for whatever reason.

 

[unmerged(665532)]

This is more of a hypothetical really, but are you restricted to playing as the Doge or can you be minor patrician?

 

[Nintz]

This is more of a hypothetical really, but are you restricted to playing as the Doge or can you be minor patrician?

Well, playing as a patrician would put you in a markedly more difficult position. Not sure why you would want to.

 

[unmerged(633385)]

Well, playing as a patrician would put you in a markedly more difficult position. Not sure why you would want to.

The exact opposite actually. The doge starts with 88 gold and one trade post. The patricians start with one trade post, but they have over 300 gold. One of the patricians also starts with the most important trade post: Pisa itself. That combined with the latest patch limits on Doge plots and wars makes a patrician start a faster way to build up the trade network that you will need.

 

[blaidd]

It sounds like you are starting to come around, but you need more convincing.

I started my Pisa game. I don't know if I will have time to finish it, as it does seem like the goals in this one are going to take awhile and I'm going on vacation Wednesday. My first year as Doge went like this: disastrous holy war where I lost all my troops, got DoW from Genoa over that trade post, surrendered without fighting any battles, rebuilt the trade post, got assassinated by my brother, who is not Doge. This would probably be a good time to reload, but I'm stubborn. =P

EDIT: Oh and my current score is -109. LOL.

 

[Dracko81]

Damn those stats are definately worth restarting. I failed my first attempt completely and got pounded into the ground. Restarted and got this guy...(the bugged game)

Only thing he has gained is paranoid and mystic. But it sort of proves my point as to multiple attempts at the start. Reloading because something bad happened is allowed but, that seems more like cheating to me.

 

[unmerged(633385)]

I started my Pisa game. I don't know if I will have time to finish it, as it does seem like the goals in this one are going to take awhile and I'm going on vacation Wednesday. My first year as Doge went like this: disastrous holy war where I lost all my troops, got DoW from Genoa over that trade post, surrendered without fighting any battles, rebuilt the trade post, got assassinated by my brother, who is not Doge. This would probably be a good time to reload, but I'm stubborn. =P

EDIT: Oh and my current score is -109. LOL.

LOL. I probably should have just surrendered over that trade post, but not doing so was where my stubbornness came in.

 

[Dracko81]

Just done some testing (reloaded the last autosave) and killed the Doge of Genoa(edit - Venice - dumbarse) (who is not a patrician). A patrician inheritted the title of doge, I forced a win against the new doge. Result was other 5 families were not inheritted into Pisa.

Another console kill request please.

EDIT: Also reloading due to bug isn't cheating right? :unsure:

 

[Nintz]

The exact opposite actually. The doge starts with 88 gold and one trade post. The patricians start with one trade post, but they have over 300 gold. One of the patricians also starts with the most important trade post: Pisa itself. That combined with the latest patch limits on Doge plots and wars makes a patrician start a faster way to build up the trade network that you will need.

Well, you start as the Doge, meaning you get a part of all your vassals income.

At the bare minimum it should be equal.

Either way, in the interest of fairness, I going to rule no playing a lower patrician.

Just done some testing (reloaded the last autosave) and killed the Doge of Genoa(edit - Venice - dumbarse) (who is not a patrician). A patrician inheritted the title of doge, I forced a win against the new doge. Result was other 5 families were not inheritted into Pisa.

Another console kill request please.

EDIT: Also reloading due to bug isn't cheating right? :unsure:

Request granted.

Reloading is allowed as it is for these challenges, though I don't consider bug-reloading to be a cheat regardless.


On the subject of reloading in favor of new/better stat characters I'm going to leave it as is. While it may on occasion be fair/unfair to certain games, I see it as part of the game. Furthermore, everyone can do it as they wish. I, personally, typically play the first start I get. I prefer to play the hand I draw. If someone wants to reload for better stats, I don't actually care. Considering that the only alternative would be to upload a base save which may have better or worse stats, its actually worse in my opinion. And, either way, I'm not going to implement a rule on that, so any discussion relating to this is hypothetical only.

 

[baronbowden]

LOL playing so late last night I only used autosave.. and am now back at square one from starting the stupid pisa game this morning! A pox upon your families Dracko.

That said I have a new idea that I think might blow your minds. Have a multiplayer game for 4 hours tomorrow but will then take a stab at it again this time aiming for under 30 years.

 

[Dracko81]

Just won Crusade for Anatolia, won a holy for part of Tunis as well. Lost a de jure claim from Byzantines. Instantly surrendered, at least I now have a 10 year breather over there...

Biggest problem atm is thinking of a way to elimate Byzantines, I have a few ideas, but have yet to decide on final push to victory conditions. That Latin Empire creation requirement is quite out there.

 

[Kaiser Ludwig]

Biggest problem atm is thinking of a way to elimate Byzantines, I have a few ideas, but have yet to decide on final push to victory conditions. That Latin Empire creation requirement is quite out there.

Agreed. If it didn't have the "Byzantine Empire must not exist" it'd be more doable.

I'm gonna start now... at last. I just bought the AOE2 HD and as you haven't experienced internet connectivity issues unless you live in a minor country with two established ISP, a third which while somewhat better has still 4 MBPS @ 10% guaranteed bandwidth as their premium option, the streamlined multiplayer there has taken a chunk of my time (i.e. "yay! I can finally play a 10 yer old game online without having to host a lan party!")

The internet connection here is just abysmal. A few months ago I tried to play a CK2 game online. Freaking TEAMSPEAK was lagging.

ANYWAYS! Whining aside... let's take a stab at this, shall we...



ON the Patrician Game... do we stay as patricians, or can we go feudal?

 

[Dracko81]

How could you become fuedal? Outside of allowing your republic to be wiped out, that is.

As for internet connectivity issues, move to Australia, then you will really experience issues.

 

[Kaiser Ludwig]

How could you become fuedal? Outside of allowing your republic to be wiped out, that is.

As for internet connectivity issues, move to Australia, then you will really experience issues.

I think there's some crazy way where your designated heir becomes feudal or something, I remember seeing a few times people saying that their trade posts had been destoryed when a wacky inheritance happened.

Also... I think South America tops Australia in that. Maybe not the Outback though, but the big cities? Those (should) kick our butts

 

[unmerged(665532)]

I'm not sure if the rules don't allow this because I'm on my phone and damn thing won't let me go back to the rules, but I'd like to suggest a tactic for the dlc game: put a catholic ruler in the byzantines, and depending on the sizes of the two, invade the Ere then the Hre (usually but you know).

And @blaidd you get piety from creating vassal bishops bc you gave the land to the church in a way

 

[Dracko81]

Yea I've been thinking about that, swearing fealty to Byzantines, and getting an invasion of HRE afterwards. Still trying to work out the finer points, so everything happens in a short a window as possible.

@Kaiser Ludwig I'm pretty sure that feudal lords can not inherit republics(unless they are last surviving?). Republics however can inherit Feudal titles I think. Never really fiddled with these mechanics tbh.

As for internet infrastructure I wouldn't be surprised if most of South America was in a better state.

 

[Kaiser Ludwig]

Yea I've been thinking about that, swearing fealty to Byzantines, and getting an invasion of HRE afterwards. Still trying to work out the finer points, so everything happens in a short a window as possible.

Yeah, this seems to be the better way. You need to fabricate a claim on the Byzzie throne before you go independent though, then you can war for the whole empire in a single bite, destroy the byzantine title, and then create the Latin Empire.

 

[Dracko81]

Yeah, this seems to be the better way. You need to fabricate a claim on the Byzzie throne before you go independent though, then you can war for the whole empire in a single bite, destroy the byzantine title, and then create the Latin Empire.

Claim the title from the inside...

 

[Kaiser Ludwig]

Except you might have become larger than the HRE and without a claim getting an invasion... well, a weak claim, from a Kaiser-related mother and switching designated heir to whoever has that claim could also work now that I think about it.