CK3 Status at Launch

[Pied-Noir]

In non iron-man games you can land the interesting courtiers and then swap to play as them via console or reload. 867 isn't doomed, once the event stacks are gone the vikings are boned

The fact you're even suggesting using console commands tells you that there's an issue.

I think they will end up patching in a post-Hastings bookmark again, simply because the RNG factor with a three-way war is too great, and it's no fun at all playing as a pre-Norman English vassal with all that king-swapping going on. At the very least let's hope the Norwegian Normandy thing hasn't returned.

Personally I hate 867 and never play it, which is why I feel quite sad about the lack of scenarios in CK III - don't get me wrong, almost every aspect of the game looks fantastic, but I've played 1066 to death (for years!) and I have no affinity for those horrible Dark Ages start dates. I want to play as Crusader Kings and famous dynasties.

 

[DreadLindwyrm]

Don't buy it on release, unless the areas it focuses on at release (France, hre, and England) are ones you badly want to play. India, Islam, steppe nomads will all suffer far less content than before

You are pulling this out of your backside.

Islam in particular is being treated in a far more granular fashion than before with variants that we haven't seen before fleshed out. Religiously, India should have a wider, and more diverse religious structure as well.

There *is* the no shared head of faith problem - but that's acknowledged and something they want to fix as soon as possible - and it affects Western Europe as well.

 

[Battlex]

The fact you're even suggesting using console commands tells you that there's an issue.

I think they will end up patching in a post-Hastings bookmark again, simply because the RNG factor with a three-way war is too great, and it's no fun at all playing as a pre-Norman English vassal with all that king-swapping going on. At the very least let's hope the Norwegian Normandy thing hasn't returned.

Personally I hate 867 and never play it, which is why I feel quite sad about the lack of scenarios in CK III - don't get me wrong, almost every aspect of the game looks fantastic, but I've played 1066 to death (for years!) and I have no affinity for those horrible Dark Ages start dates. I want to play as Crusader Kings and famous dynasties.

Norwegian Normandy is quite easily solved by having Godwinson's troops start in the North with Hardrada. I'm not sure on the exact timeline but this might be a good idea to ensure the AI doesn't screw up embarking too much as well

You are pulling this out of your backside.

Islam in particular is being treated in a far more granular fashion than before with variants that we haven't seen before fleshed out. Religiously, India should have a wider, and more diverse religious structure as well.

There *is* the no shared head of faith problem - but that's acknowledged and something they want to fix as soon as possible - and it affects Western Europe as well.

Islam gets further divided than Sunni and Shia yes, but they were traits in ck2 for the different schools, just like the Buddhist schools. Which will allow Cordoba to be a caliphate under the Umayyads and Almohavrids. We've seen little about clan government, but I was more talking about the flavour that we haven't seen and so I assume gutted. They'll have to have hajj on release, but no word on decadence revolts in the dev diaries I've read. Berbers can also only raid via land not ship anymore which makes the barbary states alot weaker

 

[Karlington]

no word on decadence revolts in the dev diaries I've read.

Decadence is out. As in removed.

 

[Karlington]

The fact you're even suggesting using console commands tells you that there's an issue.

I think they will end up patching in a post-Hastings bookmark again, simply because the RNG factor with a three-way war is too great, and it's no fun at all playing as a pre-Norman English vassal with all that king-swapping going on. At the very least let's hope the Norwegian Normandy thing hasn't returned.

Personally I hate 867 and never play it, which is why I feel quite sad about the lack of scenarios in CK III - don't get me wrong, almost every aspect of the game looks fantastic, but I've played 1066 to death (for years!) and I have no affinity for those horrible Dark Ages start dates. I want to play as Crusader Kings and famous dynasties.

Let's not worry about tomorrow before it comes. Each day has enough trouble of its own, to quote the Lord Jesus.

We don't know that England will be doomed to fail (unless there was a stream that I missed). While the medieval setting is the same, the game is completely new, and it is possible that things will turn out very differently from the way they would have in an identical situation in CK2.

 

[DreadLindwyrm]

Norwegian Normandy is quite easily solved by having Godwinson's troops start in the North with Hardrada. I'm not sure on the exact timeline but this might be a good idea to ensure the AI doesn't screw up embarking too much as well

Islam gets further divided than Sunni and Shia yes, but they were traits in ck2 for the different schools, just like the Buddhist schools. Which will allow Cordoba to be a caliphate under the Umayyads and Almohavrids. We've seen little about clan government, but I was more talking about the flavour that we haven't seen and so I assume gutted. They'll have to have hajj on release, but no word on decadence revolts in the dev diaries I've read. Berbers can also only raid via land not ship anymore which makes the barbary states alot weaker

So anything we haven't seen flavour on has been gutted then?

I see.

Well that's an awful lot of the game that's been gutted, rather than just not mentioned.

I guess the cultures of most of Europe have been gutted because we've not had any specific flavour on them. I guess that Spain had (until about a fortnight ago) been gutted because we'd not seen any flavour for it, until the stream.

Berbers *might* only be able to raid on land. Or there might be a cultural innovation specific to them that enables raiding by sea. I'd need to look more at cultures - oh, but wait, that's been "gutted" as well because we've not seen much flavour about them.

And there are more faiths under Islam now than there were schools in CK2, which will help enormously.

Decadence revolts *should* be gone, because it was ultimately a mechanic which didn't really work. If you knew how to handle it, it was mostly a non-issue once you got on top of it. When the AI didn't handle it, it usually just replaced the dynasty at the top with a new one, meaning that the old power block was still there, just under a different dynasty, it didn't really break things up like it was supposed to.

It was also strange having ultra-decadent Catholic dynasties be mostly unaffected by their decadence, but for an islamic one that slipped a bit to be risking being overthrown. It was even stranger to see northern European Islamic realms being overthrown by "riders from the wastelands" because the mechanic didn't seem to have taken into account that muslims don't all live on the edge of deserts.

 

[Karlington]

So anything we haven't seen flavour on has been gutted then?

I see.

Well that's an awful lot of the game that's been gutted, rather than just not mentioned.

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Right on! Thank you for succinctly making this great point.

EDIT: Here, have my first ever "Love" reaction for that post.

 

[Riamus]

My take on it is this: In CK2, I couldn't really get into the game very much in Vanilla. It just seemed too boring and limited, so I stopped playing it for years. I finally went back after I got all the DLCs and now I love it. With CK3, I don't believe that will be a problem. From all that I've seen, I expect to love CK3 right from the start and although future DLCs will certainly improve the game and make me love it more, the lack of them in the beginning won't be a problem for me.

Of course, as others have said, everyone has their own opinions and what they like or dislike. Someone who absolutely has to have a certain feature that is currently not in the game may call the vanilla game boring and bad, while others who aren't as concerned about that feature may say the vanilla game is excellent. Only you can decide what you think of the game. Either you look over the DDs and streams and videos and FAQ and come to a decision before release or you wait for release and then try the game and make your decision then. You can't go off what other people think. Even someone with similar interests as you will have different opinions on certain things; no one thinks exactly as you do.