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1. They shouldn't have said January at the earliest if they knew it wasn't happening, they should have then just said February. Even if it wasn't a delay it was still a bad idea to do that.

In what way did "mid-January at the earliest" not happen? It literally means nothing before mid-January - which is exactly what happened.


2. If anything newer games should be getting more attention than older games. The fact that the most recent game has had less new information than a game that came out in 2013 isn't good.

They really are damned if they do and damned if they don't. The number one complaint about CK2 was the volume of DLC. People moaned about "moneygrabbing Paradox" endlessly. So Paradox moved to a model of less-frequent but bigger DLC for CK3 - and people have switched to complaining that they're not getting DLC soon enough after launch.
 
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I'll repeat what I said on the subreddit but congrats to Alexander and Henrik - I love what Holy Fury bought to CK2 so I'm excited to see what creative input that can bring to CK3 as well. And congratulations to all the new hires as well, I hope you're all settled and ready to get stuck in!

Happy to hear the team has expanded, look forward to what they all bring - best of luck to you all! :)
 
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They really are damned if they do and damned if they don't. The number one complaint about CK2 was the volume of DLC. People moaned about "moneygrabbing Paradox" endlessly. So Paradox moved to a model of less-frequent but bigger DLC for CK3 - and people have switched to complaining that they're not getting DLC soon enough after launch.
Ehhh they took money for the content so of course people want to learn about the thing they paid for.
 
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In what way did "mid-January at the earliest" not happen? It literally means nothing before mid-January - which is exactly what happened.
Once again, why say mid-January if you aren't planning to do anything until February.
 
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Ehhh they took money for the content so of course people want to learn about the thing they paid for.

Of course they do. I paid for it and I'm excited to know. But there's a difference between that and people losing their shit at Paradox for not announcing DLC yet like it's some personal sleight.

The info (and the DLC itself) is coming. We know it's coming. There's zero need for the tantrums we're seeing on this thread.
 
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Once again, why say mid-January if you aren't planning to do anything until February.

They didn't say "mid-January". They said "mid-January at the earliest".

The former is a deadline to hit. The latter is simply a note not to expect dev diaries in December 2020 (or the first week or two of January).
 
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Of course they do. I paid for it and I'm excited to know. But there's a difference between that and people losing their shit at Paradox for not announcing DLC yet like it's some personal sleight.

The info (and the DLC itself) is coming. We know it's coming. There's zero need for the tantrums we're seeing on this thread.
Yes, we know it's coming, because that has been known for a long time now. The problem is that we have no indication of what is coming. Most people don't want a full-fledged announcement for the dlc, they just want at least a peak at what is to come, hopefully even more.
 
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They didn't say "mid-January". They said "mid-January at the earliest".

The former is a deadline to hit. The latter is simply a note not to expect dev diaries in December 2020 (or the first week or two of January).
But that implies that they were trying to get something out by then. If they knew it would be later then they only make people mad by saying mid-January if it's only scheduled for mid-February. If they wanted to just say something about not to expect dev diaries they could have just said "not anytime soon" instead of giving an actual timeframe.
 
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Yes, we know it's coming, because that has been known for a long time now. The problem is that we have no indication of what is coming. Most people don't want a full-fledged announcement for the dlc, they just want at least a peak at what is to come, hopefully even more.

Yep. I want a sneak peak at what is to come too. Would I have liked a sneak peek today? Yes - because that's how excitement works.

And yet, somehow, I'm able to feel excited without throwning a tantrum when that excitement isn't sated to a deadline of my choosing.
 
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But that implies that they were trying to get something out by then. If they knew it would be later then they only make people mad by saying mid-January if it's only scheduled for mid-February. If they wanted to just say something about not to expect dev diaries they could have just said "not anytime soon" instead of giving an actual timeframe.

I'm going to have to stop replying now. I'm honestly not sure if you're trolling me or whether you genuinely don't understand the difference between "mid-January" and "mid-January at the earliest". Either way, I'm out.
 
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I'm excited to hear the team is growing and expanding! That bodes well for CK3's longevity on future content, which is something we all want.

Uhh, regardless of how you feel maybe don't spend pages and pages dragging the team making our game better? A bunch of 'fans' shouting "who cares?!" can't be good for morale...
 
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I enjoyed reading today's dev diary, right up to the point where I saw the negative reactions.

Here's Paradox doing something new by addressing one of their constant criticisms of not being transparent enough while at the same time easing the community's fear of the game being abandoned after release, yet the response is that no new or valuable information was shared on this much hyped dev diary.

The reactions and responses I've seen on this thread reaffirms my position that working in the gaming industry requires a huge amount of passion: anything less and you'd burnout pouring your heart out working for such a toxic and entitled audience.
 
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First the pleasant:
Nice to meet you, and thank you for introducing the team.

Now the not so pleasant:
After 3 months of nothing this is not it (I'm not blaming you personally, but the whole communication team). If this had been an early Jan drop "hi we're back from Christmas vacations, lets introduce the team" it would be alright. But its mid Feb and all we are promised is vague information about the "small" upcoming content. I realize you can't announce everything at once, but take a page from Wiz when he was doing Stellaris. His twitter teasers were great, even things that were not announced, he'd show small little screenshots of some specific, often cryptic upcoming change. It was enough to keep people interested and speculating, and more than that it was fun.

Anyway like I said, this is not directed at you as much as the team as a whole. I'm sure you were told write a diary about x and did your job. But the decision makers really need to improve communication. A quarter of a year of silence followed by fluff is not a good direction to go. CK3 is already below HOI4, Stellaris, and EU4 numbers in terms of players, and that's despite having initial launch player numbers larger than any of them. For a game already struggling to keep its playerbase engaged, poor interaction with the community is a recipe for a flop.
 
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Of course they do. I paid for it and I'm excited to know. But there's a difference between that and people losing their shit at Paradox for not announcing DLC yet like it's some personal sleight.

The info (and the DLC itself) is coming. We know it's coming. There's zero need for the tantrums we're seeing on this thread.

Only person i've seen on this thread having a tantrum is you mate.

btw, the insta disagree just proves my point.
 
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working for such a toxic and entitled audience.
Wait, didn't Devs working for a paychecks? Or do you imply what while they making game for us, "toxic and entitled", they don't getting paid at all, basically working on they passion alone and FOR FREE?
 
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Wait, didn't Devs working for a paychecks? Or do you imply what while they making game for us, "toxic and entitled", they don't getting paid at all, basically working on they passion alone and FOR FREE?
There's plenty of job opportunities with higher paychecks for the talents of software developers that do not require engaging with this sort of audience.

If you're gonna work in the games industry, you better have a passion for gaming, otherwise the audience of gamers will burn you out.
 
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I hope that the small update in a few weeks will be a patch consisting of bug fixes. Some cultures are not playable (code is broken and some cultures are missing key things that define them, like longships for the Estonians) and I have less than 20 hours in the game although I pre-ordered the Royal Edition.
 
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I will not lie and say I'm not disappointed in the reception of this developer diary, but I was also anticipating it, after all I've been part of the Paradox community for a long time on both sides of things, and I know how it goes.
You know, though love is still love. A sincere welcome from one of your more outspoken fans!

Still, I will not be demotivated by the harshness of some of our more outspoken fans. Damned if you do, damned if you don't, I'm going to make sure I do.
That's the spirit!
 
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I don't even care about DLC right now. I just want to know when the NEXT PATCH will be that fixes the bugged levy numbers issue along with other things (hopefully Byzantines???)
 
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