CK3 Dev Diary #48 - The Team
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Film producers don't make films either.
That's what the actors, directors, camera crew, Foley artists, etc. are there for.
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With this DD I can feel ourselves getting closer to the hollow fanbase of a particular Ring tittle, eternally starved for news.
On more related news while it was implied in the DD I think most of us misunderstood the bringing of new people into the fold, considering the healthy team that was before. It looked like the workflow was stagnant these months with little done and that's the reason why new people were brought in. Instead we should be getting the impression that the success of the game and the desire to fast forward the updates is why the team was expanded.
This simple mistake I attribute it to a lack of communication with the delays and the previous hypetrain DD and a lack of a clear roadmap with at least some quarterly goals that will let us constrain our expectations
On more related news while it was implied in the DD I think most of us misunderstood the bringing of new people into the fold, considering the healthy team that was before. It looked like the workflow was stagnant these months with little done and that's the reason why new people were brought in. Instead we should be getting the impression that the success of the game and the desire to fast forward the updates is why the team was expanded.
This simple mistake I attribute it to a lack of communication with the delays and the previous hypetrain DD and a lack of a clear roadmap with at least some quarterly goals that will let us constrain our expectations
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The difference is that Creative Assembly released the Empire Edition of Rome 2 for free, while Paradox would have cut it into multiple DLCs and demanded payment for each of them.
Anyway, congratulations to the new team member on their employment I suppose, but I hope future dev diaries are more substantial about the future of the game.
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With all due consideration, this is kind of empty. I find it reassuring that you field a consistent team and I agree it was something good to be communicated. However, what was interesting me the most, as a paying customer, was the result of this team's work. Until further notice I feel scammed.
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Sorry, I didn't see your post. But yes, now it all makes sense.
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The main problem I think most people actually have is that we have been waiting for half a year without much communication from the dev team. Then Dec 15 comes around with a dev diary (without content which I think no one had a problem with) that stated there "won’t be a Dev Diary until Mid-January at the very earliest". Now, I can read and I realize you don't literally say that there will be one in mid-Jan, but it does create the expectation that we will hear something then, but nothing was said. Then at the end of Jan, two weeks later, we are told that there will be a dev diary in mid-Feb. Now, I think at this point, a half year after release, after hearing nothing about content for that same period, people had high expectations, especially since a lot of us have already paid for it through the royal edition. Instead, contrary to these expectations, we get a dev diary about the team, which is nice, but seems misplaced.
The devs could have been a bit more transparent. In mid-Jan, they could have said that there wouldn't be a dev diary that day and said when they would do one. Even better would have been to tell us when they realized there wouldn't be one then. The devs could have told us that the first dev diary would not contain updates about future content. It would be great to know when we can expect information about content. Finally, at the end of this diary you do tell us that we can expect some in the coming weeks. When does it start though? Is it every week starting now or will we get the first bit of info weeks from now?
Now here is what I personally think would be amazing to see: Weekly or bi-weekly dev diaries. These DDs can contain pretty much anything the devs can share. For example, I would like to hear about general development philosophy; what are things you would like to improve about the game in the short-term or in a semi-distant future. FAQs; replying to a number of questions or suggestions from the community and your thoughts about them. Showcase some bugs that you guys are working on or tweaks you are making to the game. Obviously, any actual new content would be the most welcome, but I think these other things would be well received as well, and would allow us to be in engaged with the progress you are making.
I'm not complaining that we don't have a dlc already. I want you to take all the time you need to make the content we will enjoy. It's the transparency and community engagement that has been lacking thus far. The game is great, and we want it to be keep getting better.
The devs could have been a bit more transparent. In mid-Jan, they could have said that there wouldn't be a dev diary that day and said when they would do one. Even better would have been to tell us when they realized there wouldn't be one then. The devs could have told us that the first dev diary would not contain updates about future content. It would be great to know when we can expect information about content. Finally, at the end of this diary you do tell us that we can expect some in the coming weeks. When does it start though? Is it every week starting now or will we get the first bit of info weeks from now?
Now here is what I personally think would be amazing to see: Weekly or bi-weekly dev diaries. These DDs can contain pretty much anything the devs can share. For example, I would like to hear about general development philosophy; what are things you would like to improve about the game in the short-term or in a semi-distant future. FAQs; replying to a number of questions or suggestions from the community and your thoughts about them. Showcase some bugs that you guys are working on or tweaks you are making to the game. Obviously, any actual new content would be the most welcome, but I think these other things would be well received as well, and would allow us to be in engaged with the progress you are making.
I'm not complaining that we don't have a dlc already. I want you to take all the time you need to make the content we will enjoy. It's the transparency and community engagement that has been lacking thus far. The game is great, and we want it to be keep getting better.
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I dont overly care who makes it so long as it is made and have no interest in who the dev team actually are.
I think the community became toxic (me included- well sarcastic at least) due to lack of information and openness as discussed here and then PDX came in very heavy handed.
As someone who has supported PDX for years (look at my titles) I am extremely disappointed by this turn of events. If i was treated this way as a customer face to face I would be demanding a meeting with a manager or CEO.
Even if this is a corporately owned internet forum which we are technically allowed to use i find the customer relations lacking.
I am sad to watch a series and developer that I have followed turn on its own fan base and then blame them.
I have said my peace if this is deemed trolling then so be it.
I think the community became toxic (me included- well sarcastic at least) due to lack of information and openness as discussed here and then PDX came in very heavy handed.
As someone who has supported PDX for years (look at my titles) I am extremely disappointed by this turn of events. If i was treated this way as a customer face to face I would be demanding a meeting with a manager or CEO.
Even if this is a corporately owned internet forum which we are technically allowed to use i find the customer relations lacking.
I am sad to watch a series and developer that I have followed turn on its own fan base and then blame them.
I have said my peace if this is deemed trolling then so be it.
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Rome 2 before Empire Edition was as bad as Imperator Rome. And CA dlc policy is similar to Paradox.
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It would be really appreciated if you didn't just read them, but actually engaging - maybe just making a comment that it has been noted/read or something. At least that way it wouldn't seem like talking to a wall of silence with only my fellow community members to break it.
With that said, I'm quite bored and disappointing by this post. I think it would've been nice to see a kind of road map - much like what Total War do. They create a road map with most of it being obscured and then slowly reveal it. The lack of communication from you guys is quite bad and it just goes to reinforce that PDX is bad at engaging with its community and to take feedback.
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No its not. CA - has a policy where they sell factions, but the base game is the same regardless of you buying it. That means that if new mechanics are introduced to a bunch of factions then you too will gain access to the QoL improvements. The reason is that the game you play is the same as those with the DLC's. The only difference is that while you can see the new factions on the map, you can't play them until you buy the DLC.
PDX DLC policy is very different. If you do not buy the DLC's then your base game is radically different somebody who did buy it. That is also why the Host determine which DLC's would be used - because otherwise the game would simply be completely dysfunctional in MP. There are loads of mechanics which are exclusive to DLC - QoL improvements too. Just take the diplomacy interface which neatly allows you to see who would accept alliance proposals etc - that is a DLC feature, even if it is a QoL improvement. You can't disinherit an heir either.
So, as you can see, CA sells factions, but the base game remains the same even if you don't buy the DLC's. PDX sells DLC's that alter the base game, and so if your friend play without DLC's then you will have radically different games and opportunities.
Lastly, I also find CA's DLC policy much more generous. Half their DLC factions are free and the rest is at least within a decent enough price range. Had that been Paradox, then we'd probably have to buy both the music, maybe missions and certainly the skin packs as separate products.
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We do indeed have Moderators, but also Ambassadors that are constantly replying to posts and handling discussions.
However, there is not much for a Community Manager to say when the thread consists of "I am bored, this sucks, and you suck." So we usually refrain from entirely unproductive posts and stick closer to making sure the Community is heard and Feedback/Suggestions are delivered to the right hands to help shape the process for the future.
That being said, being around gathering data and watching posts gives me a pretty decent idea of how to work with our team to make sure their tone and messages are clear and concise.
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We do indeed have Moderators, but also Ambassadors that are constantly replying to posts and handling discussions.
However, there is not much for a Community Manager to say when the thread consists of "I am bored, this sucks, and you suck." So we usually refrain from entirely unproductive posts and stick closer to making sure the Community is heard and Feedback/Suggestions are delivered to the right hands to help shape the process for the future.
That being said, being around gathering data and watching posts gives me a pretty decent idea of how to work with our team to make sure their tone and messages are clear and concise.
Naturally, there are some posts where people have a tendency to vent frustration rather than actually comment anything productive. I completely understand that you refrain from diving into those. That said, this forum has some true jewels of proposals and ideas. Paradox is very lucky that it has a dedicated community that wants to help improve the game.
In my experience your ambassadors and community managers don't actually engage with those posts either. And to reiterate, you don't have to commit to anything or promise that it will be implemented. A mere "Interesting idea" - or ask questions as to what the author or commentators would think about X, Y, Z in relation to that post would be nice. Anyways, have a good evening
Even just a type of sticker - like the thumbs up or "agree" but with a Paradox logo would go a long way.
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We do indeed have Moderators, but also Ambassadors that are constantly replying to posts and handling discussions.
However, there is not much for a Community Manager to say when the thread consists of "I am bored, this sucks, and you suck." So we usually refrain from entirely unproductive posts and stick closer to making sure the Community is heard and Feedback/Suggestions are delivered to the right hands to help shape the process for the future.
That being said, being around gathering data and watching posts gives me a pretty decent idea of how to work with our team to make sure their tone and messages are clear and concise.
Hi Pariah, firstly this is aimed as constructive not a critique or attack. I want to echo what Secuter has said in many ways as in yes you have these people in place but i do not feel that they listen to us. Yes of course the CM is there to ban stick people and they shouldnt have to put up with "you suck posts" but if i worked for PDX i would be asking my community why they were being so toxic. Why not msg some of the people who were being toxic and ask them why find out the issues?
I think people have complained in other places that it feels (not is but feels) like PDX want and echo chamber here where we all clap when told to. Its not a good feeling as someone who has been listened to in the past and has played your games for 10+ years to be told to basically "play nice or dont play" At the end of the day we pay your wages. I do not feel that anyone listens to us and the tour de force from PDX on Dev Diary day just goes to show the extent of the poor community / corporate communication. I haven't made this post for likes or hates or to spark up a debate in here. Ive just posted it as I feel you guys need to listen (or pretend to at least) some more
With respect not hate a 10+ PDX vet - Nexus.- 14
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I feel that these kinds of posts are being written by people who are invested in Paradox's success, and it would be a terrible mistake to dismiss (the large numbers of) them without listening.Hi Pariah, firstly this is aimed as constructive not a critique or attack. I want to echo what Secuter has said in many ways as in yes you have these people in place but i do not feel that they listen to us. Yes of course the CM is there to ban stick people and they shouldnt have to put up with "you suck posts" but if i worked for PDX i would be asking my community why they were being so toxic. Why not msg some of the people who were being toxic and ask them why find out the issues?
I think people have complained in other places that it feels (not is but feels) like PDX want and echo chamber here where we all clap when told to. Its not a good feeling as someone who has been listened to in the past and has played your games for 10+ years to be told to basically "play nice or dont play" At the end of the day we pay your wages. I do not feel that anyone listens to us and the tour de force from PDX on Dev Diary day just goes to show the extent of the poor community / corporate communication. I haven't made this post for likes or hates or to spark up a debate in here. Ive just posted it as I feel you guys need to listen (or pretend to at least) some more
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True, but that's just (mostly) fixing their huge and utter clusterf*** of a launch product. I still don't like many of their choices and it's still only best when modded. Altogether I think Paradox has avoided that with CK3 for sure. They just need to be a bit clearer on their goals and giving feedback to bug reports.
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Hello! I want to thank you for your work and suggest such changes:
1. Change the characteristics and names for professional troops depending on the nation. For example, in Europe (France, Germany, Italy, Spain), the rulers should be given knight cavalry instead of heavy cavalry, and instead of light cavalry - I don't know what to call them, let them be squires. Other nations have these troops with lower characteristics or none at all. The Eastern Slavs and Scandinavians have access to stronger heavy infantry (such as the brutal Varangians))), the British have stronger archers, the Arabs have faster and stronger light cavalry, and the Byzantines have legionaries.
2. Add a solution to the Western European rulers: to hold a jousting tournament, where the winner receives some kind of bun, piety, money, and also increases the relationship with the woman who will declare her lady of the heart. That, in turn, also receives piety or fame.
3. For nomadic tribes, remove fortresses, temples, and cities, replacing them with "nomads", and add a decision (or religious dogma, something like human sacrifice) about raids on sedentary neighbors in order to obtain money and slaves.
4. Add the purpose of the war: "To make a tributary" - that is, without losing independence, the ruler must pay tribute every year.
5. During raids-an opportunity for the victims to agree on the termination of the raid, paying off with gold.
***AI actions in the game are extremely monotonous. I wanted his actions to be more active in relation to the player and other characters:
6. When blackmail lustful AI could demand to sleep with him (in addition to the basic conditions)
7. AI men should actively try to seduce beautiful and pretty women. In case of failure - do not give up trying to do it again and try to eliminate competitors on the way to the bed or the heart of a woman
8. A woman's refusal to marry, from courtship, or break off an engagement is a reason for war. Also a reason for war for pious religions - if the bride is not a virgin.
9. Love - it can flare up in AI suddenly. This is a strong feeling that makes you act recklessly - give expensive gifts, be jealous, declare wars, kill, challenge to a duel. A special kind of love is passion. In this case, the AI becomes mad and uses all means to achieve its goal - spreading dirty rumors, using bribery, blackmail
10. Wedding and the first wedding night - a feast for which feudal lords gather. Ends on the wedding night.
11. When blackmailing an AI or player, they may require another character to do something against a third character or try to seduce them. For example, you Can force a woman to seduce her Liege Lord, then blackmail him with it.
* translation of Google, sorry )))
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