CK3 Dev Diary #34 - It’s all about appearances

CK3 Dev Diary #34 - It’s all about appearances

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Hello, I’m Nils and I’m the lead character artist on Crusader Kings III. We’ve already touched briefly on a lot of the features of the portrait system but in this Dev Diary I’m going to dive deeper into the intricacies of the system. It might get a bit technical at points - so bear with me. I personally think all this stuff is very cool but I'm also a gigantic nerd when it comes to these things.

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There’s going to be a lot of text in this Dev Diary, but really, when it comes down to it, it’s mostly there as an excuse to show off the art!

Characters are generated dynamically in the game using a DNA system that defines their looks - everything from mouth shape to body height is stored in this DNA. A DNA is made up of a number of genes. Each gene defines a certain feature. Crusader Kings II already does something similar, but in CKIII we have more than 10 times the amount of genes for every character and a lot of added complexity. The system itself is very flexible and it was up to me how to set it up to get as much visual variation out of it as possible.

Our predecessor, CK2, by necessity builds up characters from a limited number of facial features. There are x amount of noses combined with x amount of mouths and x amount of eyes and so on to make up a face. While this works well and gives a good amount of variation it still has some inherent limitations. What we’ve done in CKIII is to have a much more granular approach where we use many parameters to control each feature. So, for example, instead of just picking a nose (you shouldn’t pick your nose kids) out of a selection of pre-defined noses we store values for nose protrusion, nose height, nose length, nose nostril height, nose nostril width, nose ridge profile, nose ridge angle, nose ridge width, nose size, nose tip angle, nose tip protrusion, nose tip width, nose ridge definition and nose tip definition. In other words; if you’re into noses, or any other facial feature, this is the game for you.

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Some of the many faces (and noses!) of Crusader Kings III
As you can imagine, this gives us quite detailed control over the facial features of characters. And they can vary greatly depending on many factors, which I will try to cover here. Let’s start with ethnicity.

Like we’ve shown in other Dev Diaries already, the CKIII map covers a vast area of the world from Ireland in the west to modern day Mongolia in the east and from Arctic Norway in the north to Sub-Saharan Africa in the south. This big area is populated by groups of different ethnicities which we represent in the game. Due to the way that the character generating system is set up, we can use the same base assets for all different ethnicities and just script in different average values for the facial feature parameters. As an example, west african characters have, on average, darker skin, fuller lips and differently shaped noses than their european or asian counterparts, but they still use the exact same base model. This is good news for inheritance, which is the next subject I will discuss.

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A selection of characters of different ethnicities
Due to the fact that all characters use the same base model, we can easily create blends between multiple DNAs. Each character stores two sets of genes that we call dominant and recessive, respectively. (Disclaimer: Please note that the dominant and recessive genes in our system do not work exactly like in real life. We’re still dealing with an approximation of genetics. We haven’t fully replicated real world genetics. Yet.) When a baby is born it will inherit two versions of each gene - both of which will come randomly from either parent. As mentioned one of these genes will end up being dominant and the other one recessive based on a chance value (dominant genes from the parents have a higher chance of being inherited as dominant genes for the baby). The appearance of the newborn character is decided entirely by its dominant gene set. But the recessive genes are still there as a representation of genes carried down the generations. So when this new character gets to make its own babies they will have a chance of inheriting a gene from their grandparents, even though that gene might not have been visible on their parent.

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Inheritance in action. Top row parents and bottom row their children. If you look closely you should be able to spot the inherited features.
I hope you guys are still awake for the continuation of this Dev Diary. What does all this genetics mumbo-jumbo mean for you as a player? It means that inheritance has a much bigger impact on the appearance of a character in CKIII than than it does in CK2. Characters of different ethnicities that get down for the hanky panky will make babies that look like a blend between both parents, with some genes from further back in the family tree thrown into the mix. Of course, there’s still a fair amount of randomness in the system so we won’t get identical siblings unless they are, you know, identical twins.

Now, while we’re on the subject, let’s talk briefly about children and aging. This is the other huge factor in defining the appearance of a character: his or her age. The 3D system that we use gives us the possibility to have seamless aging and there’s a ton of things that are set up to take advantage of this. A newborn child will obviously be very tiny compared to when it’s all grown up. It’s adult facial features will be there already from birth but they are very toned down during early childhood to get gradually more pronounced as the character ages. When a character approaches their 30’s and 40’s their skin will get more rugged, age lines and wrinkles will start appearing in the face, and their hair turns grey. Once they enter old age their body will start sagging, posture will deteriorate, their ears and nose will get bigger and the jaw protrudes as they lose their teeth.

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Chieftain Somatu of Kevrola, from age 0 to 99

In addition to genetics and age, lifestyle choices and changes also impact a character’s appearance. Body types vary greatly from alarmingly thin victims of starvation to truly impressive bulks of some high nobility gluttons. Different levels of muscularity and fitness are also represented and tied to the “prowess” value in the game.

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Examples of different body types


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Like, every Christmas Holiday, ever


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I got ripped in five seconds!

There are a number of traits and conditions, genetic or otherwise, that have visual impact on the character portrait. Some examples of non-genetic ones are pregnancy, wounds, scars, lost arms, blindness and disfigurement. And some notable examples of genetic conditions are dwarfism, gigantism, albinism and hunchback.

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Genetic traits

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Dragoman

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You know how some people have names that just feel “right” for them?



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“You should see the other guy”

We have already discussed clothes in previous Dev Diaries so I won’t go into great detail about them. But I would like to show something I don’t think we’ve shown before. That is the barbershop feature which allows you to change clothes, head wear and hairstyle for your character:

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Barbershop
Even though the vast majority of characters have randomly generated appearances, there are some notable exceptions. The detailed setup of the DNA system allows us to design quite specific appearances where we want to. There are some historical starting characters in the game whose looks were based on how they are described in historical sources. For example William the Conqueror and Harold Godwineson of England. Of course, medieval sources are not always... perfectly reliable and the portraiture from the time not the most accurate (to put it mildly!) so we did have to do some guesswork and use a lot of artistic license. There are also a whole bunch of developer characters with appearances that match their real life counterparts. They’re lurking around various courts in the game. If you want to find some, a pro tip is to browse through the characters in modern day Sweden…

It is perfectly possible to mod DNAs as well as adding new ones, so if you feel like adding your own likeness or a medieval Abraham Lincoln to the game it is fairly easy to do so.

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Historical characters from the “Fate of England” in the 1066 start date. Guess who is who!
And finally, to end this on a more gruesome note, the last thing I’d like to show you is some diseases. As you all know, the middle ages were a time of ravaging epidemics and quick unexpected death from disease. And the game reflects that in quite a graphical way.

And if you don’t enjoy being disgusted - don’t worry - we have an option to turn off the worst looking diseases and replace them with something less nightmare-inducing.

WARNING: The following spoiler tags contain images that some viewers might find disturbing. Viewer discretion is advised.

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Don’t say I didn’t warn you
People with leprosy can choose to wear masks, right?
 

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This will bring so much more character and variation to the characters, I love it!
 
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A serious question and this may never happen but will Down Syndrome ever have some sort of representation in the game? The earliest skeleton discovered from 700-900AD is assumed that the person had Down Syndrome. You have the genetic DNA system to accurately depict it I would think.

"People born with Down syndrome typically have intellectual disabilities, physical growth delays and certain facial features, including a flat nasal bridge and almond-shaped eyes that slant upward. "

This could be from a woman having a baby too late in life

"The chance of having a child with Down syndrome increases over time. The risk is about 1 in 1,250 for a woman who conceives at age 25. It increases to about 1 in 100 for a woman who conceives at age 40" source
 
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Wow, this looks amazing! I can't wait to see the system in action.

I wonder just how flexible this will be with modding. If you could, for instance, have multiple base models in a mod and have a gene select which base model to use that would be incredible for mod support. I'm thinking of things like fantasy mods with more than just humanoid types, or of course anyone wanting to recreate the animal kingdoms in CK3.
 
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I cannot wait to conquer the world as a giant disfigured albino.
I cannot wait to conquer my court as a giant disfigured albino.
If you know what I mean...
 
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Looks like we'll definitely be able to tell if the wife's been unfaithful by comparing the looks of the child to the father. You know, like in real life. Neat.
The existence of dominant and recessive traits and the possibility that the child just takes after the mother should make that not very reliable. Compare to CK2 where you instantly knew that your wife was cheating at the moment of birth in case the baby gets assigned a portrait set neither of you belonged to leading to absurdities like being able to tell that your wife is cheating since your child looks English even though you are both French.
 
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All the faces look so good compared to the old screenshots, nice to see things still improving before the game is even released!
 
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Ohhh i feel sorry for these virtual plagued people :eek:

10/10, good work!
TBH, they might add, at some point, one option to "lesser" this effects. it's kind of gross. i can really imagine ppl complaining about it
 
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What about Attractive or Ugly traits? Shame that we were not able to see them.

I also hope the characters will be able to turn gray from stress.

How exactly do you depict an attractive or ugly person in a way that applies universally to all possible ethnicities? The only way I could imagine that wouldn't be horribly offensive in some way (I remember there being a small uproar about an app with a "beautify filter" which would lighten dark skinned peoples skin for example) would be making attractive people have more symmetrical faces but I doubt that would be very noticeable considering many of the people posted in the screenshots seem reasonably symmetrical already.

Give characters the attractive/ugly trait and then just assume that the beauty standards in that particular area/period were a bit non-standard if you get weird cases imo.
 
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All those portraits look awesome.

As far as inheritance goes, while this is awesome, since most things are on a slider, I wouldn't mind seeing something that is less binary. Maybe they aren't, dunno. Yes, skin color (maybe hair as well) may be the most glaring example of how this could work in a less either/or way.

But, for instance, a slight slide from one end of the scale to the other, the stronger the greatest the difference is.

In any case, awesome stuff already, I can't wait.
 
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TBH, they might add, at some point, one option to "lesser" this effects. it's kind of gross. i can really imagine ppl complaining about it
It's there.

"And if you don’t enjoy being disgusted - don’t worry - we have an option to turn off the worst looking diseases and replace them with something less nightmare-inducing. "
 
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Each character stores two sets of genes that we call dominant and recessive, respectively.

Will there be sex linkage?
(Vitamin D resistant rickets, for example)
 
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Hmmmm... I'm not sure I understand that system correctly. What is it that prevents the drift towards averages on the inter-regional scale? Are enviromental factors accounted for in any way? It seems to me that over numerous generations nobles from different regions will start to look similar.
Firstly most nobles should be marrying on (broadly) regional scales. Hopefully whatever is standing as the diplomatic distance will help.
Most English nobles should be marrying other English nobles for example, with some Norman/French, a bit more Scottish, a few German and Scandinavian, maybe a little bit of Spanish entering the mix.

It should be rare to see marriages from outside this sort of distance (at least in theory).

Randomly created characters should be of either the ruler's ethnic group or the province's ethnic group, so hopefully this will help to keep a Norman/Saxon court distinct from a German/Italian one, as the random characters marry into the nobility and their children gradually marry into higher tiers (as a duke marries a (random) count's daughter and so on).

That said, it's not uncomon for rulers across a "super region" to get a particular look if they're all able to trace their ancestry back to a reasonably tight genetic pool. Just look at George V of Britain and Nicholas II of Russia - two rulers who could literally pretend to be each other, although this may have been exaccerbated by them being first cousins, and having further blood ties a few generations earlier. This resemblance then crops up again in Prince Michael of Kent. This look can however break up again when you get a few marriage out of the tight genetic group.
 
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Will we be able to put like a mask on a character's face. Like the mask in ck2 when you got scarr in your face?
 

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That said, it's not uncomon for rulers across a "super region" to get a particular look if they're all able to trace their ancestry back to a reasonably tight genetic pool. Just look at George V of Britain and Nicholas II of Russia - two rulers who could literally pretend to be each other, although this may have been exaccerbated by them being first cousins, and having further blood ties a few generations earlier. This resemblance then crops up again in Prince Michael of Kent. This look can however break up again when you get a few marriage out of the tight genetic group.
This is true but it's also very much a post CK2 thing. "International" marriages of that scale only really became a thing later on in the EU4 era.

It still happened obviously but you wouldn't have all royal children marrying foreign nobility like what happened during the 19th century.
 
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This is true but it's also very much a post CK2 thing. "International" marriages of that scale only really became a thing later on in the EU4 era.

It still happened obviously but you wouldn't have all royal children marrying foreign nobility like what happened during the 19th century.
Which makes it *even less* likely that the problem that I was responding to will occur, as there will be many fewer international marriages that linked as many houses as led to that tangled knot.
 
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