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Comparing it to the CKII 867 start map, there appears to one small area of Nestorianism (literally one county) in India on the CKII map, under the control of a Hindu Tamil ruler.

Elsewhere I can find a Ugyhur duke, a Bedouin duke in Socotra, a Khan up on the steppes, a couple of mayors, a bishop, and the Patriarch of the East.
r/woooosh?
 

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Just logged in to say, oh, wow, I'm so excited. I read these out loud to my partner as they work on other things, and I had to tell them "okay, make sure you are listening intently" when I read the sexuality part. Readers, devs, let me tell you, they positively squealed with delight.

I can't put into words how excited we are for CK3 and the flexibility/diversity that the game is coming with. These games are so wonderful because they flesh out the lives of (well, some of the more well off and landed) people who lived long ago, and having access to wider varieties of queer stories and the more robust role of women in male-dominated societies (and, if flipped, men in women-dominated societies!) is just so cool!

Also, good job on the afro-textured hair. One of the better looking versions I've seen in game, and gd knows I always check.
 

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Comparing it to the CKII 867 start map, there appears to one small area of Nestorianism (literally one county) in India on the CKII map, under the control of a Hindu Tamil ruler.

Elsewhere I can find a Ugyhur duke, a Bedouin duke in Socotra, a Khan up on the steppes, a couple of mayors, a bishop, and the Patriarch of the East.
Nestorians were very sparsely represented beyond Mesopotamia in the 769 and 867 bookmarks in CK2. The developers may have wanted more of the map outside Europe for other religions for gameplay reasons, but if CK3 has more room it would be nice to see some of the historical established eparchies. The Church of the East was widespread among populations through Persia, central Asia and on the Malabar coast between the 5th and 12th centuries.
 

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r/woooosh?
Not quite sure I get you here?
Someone asked about Nestorians in India - I mentioned the one Nestorian county from the 867 start in CKII (since 867 appears to be a CKIII start).
I mentioned it for comparison purposes.

The others I mentioned because they're Nestorians who are on map and *may* be interesting for other reasons.

Nestorians were very sparsely represented beyond Mesopotamia in the 769 and 867 bookmarks in CK2. The developers may have wanted more of the map outside Europe for other religions for gameplay reasons, but if CK3 has more room it would be nice to see some of the historical established eparchies. The Church of the East was widespread among populations through Persia, central Asia and on the Malabar coast between the 5th and 12th centuries.
That makes sense, I'm surprised to see that Indian Nestorian county disappear, unless they've got new/different population data (or it's not an 867 map image...).
 

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Wow, this might be the best thing I've read about CKIII, or II or any game really. Guys, this is absolutely beautiful.

I love the attention you have given the different cultures and religions. I love the attention you've given to character's sexuality, and how it's portrayed. I love that women have an expanded role this this game. This is absolutely stunning. Thank you so much. Really.
 

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I'm not sure what you think realistic proportions are, or who you think is pushing a political agenda. I thought I had been agreeing with you, but it feels like we're saying quite different things now.

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I think was he saying that I was having a political agenda, or saying the devs might have one?

I just think they should either do it properly so that it has a legitimate impact on gameplay or don't bother.
Having it so that you've a 1% chance of getting the homosexual trait strikes me as doing it just to do it and isn't much of an expansion of ck2's threadbare system.
 
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I think was he saying that I was having a political agenda, or saying the devs might have one?

I just think they should either do it properly so that it has a legitimate impact on gameplay or don't bother.
Having it so that you've a 1% chance of getting the homosexual trait strikes me as doing it just to do it and isn't much of an expansion of ck2's threadbare system.
I missunderstood your reasoning for partially political, because of “tokenism” being mentioned, please accept my appology.
It just got me worried that a political angle might be taken on this, which I would consider to be a bad choice. I don’t suspect You or the Devs of being political about it I was just worried about the possibility politics might influence decision making, but then again that was triggered partially by my missunderstanding of your post.

I do, however, disagree with You, the game should try to mimic reallity as close as it can as long as it isn’t a nuisance to achieve that, in my opinion at least. And personally I don’t see a reason, Why it should have a more meaningful impact on gameplay than it had on reality. I do understand, however, where You are coming from with that idea and I respect that.
 
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I missunderstood your reasoning for partially political, because of “tokenism” being mentioned, please accept my appology.
It just got me worried that a political angle might be taken on this, which I would consider to be a bad choice. I don’t suspect You or the Devs of being political about it I was just worried about the possibility politics might influence decision making, but than again that was triggered partially by missunderstanding your post.
The subject is inherently political. A conservative position on it is not somehow less political than a more liberal one.

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The subject is inherently political. A conservative position on it is not somehow less political than a more liberal one.

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Reality isn’t political though. I agree it is an extremely difficult topic to tackle because the topic is a frequent subject of current politics. Decision making though should be separated as best as possible from either political side.

EDIT: By reality I mean the exact numbers, which although perhaps exactly unknown are independent of politics. My wording was quite unlucky.
 
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Reality isn’t political though. I agree it is an extremely difficult topic to tackle because the topic is a frequent subject of current politics. Decision making though should be separated as best as possible from either political side.

EDIT: By reality I mean the exact numbers, which although perhaps exactly unknown are independent of politics. My wording was quite unlucky.
No, reality is extremely political. All politics involves decisions about the real world and relies on information about the real world.

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No, reality is extremely political. All politics involves decisions about the real world and relies on information about the real world.

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The real Number, whatever it is, doesn’t care about politics, it is just a number, that’s what I’m trying to say. And while one can’t truly separate oneself from their political opinion, they can always try to.
And I am merely advocating for making a decision based on information, not politics.
 

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Hinduism has been split into seven different Faiths. In addition to expanding upon and fleshing out the four main traditions of Hinduism (Vaishnavism, Shaivism, Shaktism and Smartism), CK3 also sees the addition of less well-known Hindu traditions such as Krishnaism and Advaitism.
I read this a while back and it has been bugging me a lot. While I agree with the division of Hinduism into the first four schools, the latter three don't make sense of at all. Srikula and Krishnaism are just sects of respective schools or sampradyas of the Shakta and Vaishnava denominations. Srikulas worhip Sri as Shakti while Gaudiyas/Krishaites only arose with the birth of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu in the 1480's well beyond the scope of the game.

The case of the Advatins is even more absurd. Advaita Vednata is treated as some sort of religion but Advaita is a philosophy not a religion. Even wierder, Smartism and Advaita are seperate but Shanakarcharya, the founder of the Advaita sampradaya also founded Smartism. So, Advaitas is literally the philosophy that the Smarthas believe in. It's like having Monotheism and Christianity or Dualism and Manicheanism as different religions within the same game.
 
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On the topic of hindu faiths - pre ~1000 AD start dates should still have Brahmaism as an extant sect centered in Pushkar.
 

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Interesting; that's a lot of developer time on creating imaginative options for alternate realities. It definitely has a fantasy rather than historical feel to it.
Is that not the way all Paradox games work? We would not be playing the game if there were no "alternate realities." Instead, we would be stuck watching history replay itself over and over and over again, with no way to influence events.

The real Number, whatever it is, doesn’t care about politics, it is just a number, that’s what I’m trying to say. And while one can’t truly separate oneself from their political opinion, they can always try to.
And I am merely advocating for making a decision based on information, not politics.
You are prevaricating. You are not naming a number, but you are advocating for a lower number of instances of nonheterosexuality. You have said that you do not want too many because too many are "unrealistic," or a "political" decision. We have evidence of sexual acts between people of the same sex throughout European history, but the concept of identifying yourself based upon your sexuality is a late 19th century construct. The developers are using that framework because it is the one that is most familiar to their modern audience who has little academic background in these issues. It is important to recognize that past cultures looked at sexual acts differently than we did, and such acts were far more common than was recorded because of cultural norms. As such, it is important to realize that it is going to be more likely than you are probably assuming would be correct, and it should not be that rare to come across someone who has such a secret.

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About “View on Gender” Tenet, aren't it somewhat lack flexibility? Just 3 options, while CK2 had wider "specter" (islam was less restrictive than "agnatic clans" , for example). In real life ther was, and is, such oddities like mostly female clergy in otherwise patriarchal society (Korean shamanism), gender equal church with noblewoman's trained in martial metters for self defense (and some became prominent warriors), yet government was strictly male (feudal Japan), or society where male exclusive clan chief ("liege", sorta) was elected by female exclusive elders ("vassals", kinda) (Irocise). I think gender roles in clergy, military and government should be viewed separately.
Besides, many stereotypically patriarchal societies (Europe and Middle East) in fact had quite a lot female warriors and military commanders.
 

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did I understand it correctly:
do not frame heterosexuality as the default
- means that my children can
develop their sexualities around the age of 10 and once set, it will not change
automatically depending on who they communicate with and in spite of religion and culture?

how it will work?
The settings are “Default” which means Heterosexuality is the most common sexuality, “Equal” which makes all four sexualities equally common, and one setting each for Homosexuality, Bisexuality, and Asexuality which makes them the most common sexuality instead of Heterosexuality.
If Im (for example) catholic and set “Default” my heirs will commonly
develop their sexualities
as heterosexual, but if “Equal” - all sexuality will have a chance 1/4?
 

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did I understand it correctly:
- means that my children can automatically depending on who they communicate with and in spite of religion and culture?

how it will work?

If Im (for example) catholic and set “Default” my heirs will commonly as heterosexual, but if “Equal” - all sexuality will have a chance 1/4?
It's probably a randomly generated thing,so when the player character becomes ten years old they randomly get assigned a sexuality.
 
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It's probably a randomly generated thing,so when the player character becomes ten years old they randomly get assigned a sexuality.
Right. And the probabilities are set by the game rule; the default is 89/5/5/1 for Straight/Gay/Bi/Ace, but there are options for a more even split or a different majority. There's also an intentionally very rare event that lets you choose.

Sexuality is not determined by religion or culture, although character responses will be.

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