Tune in next week to find outSo, I noticed something, one of populist revolts says "Kurdish Apostalic" does that mean that there are more branches of religions than CK2?
If a vassal leaving a faction drops it below 80% military power, discontent will stop growing and begin shrinking instead.A few things.
So how does a vassal or vassals leaving a faction with over 80% military affect growing discontent?
If a claimant is placed on the throne, will members of the faction that placed them there like the ruler more and be liked by them more? I think that'd be a good idea.
Can people not of the populist faction's religion/ethnicity join it and then become part of the new realm? Eg. can Matilda of Tuscany join the Juterbog revolt and if she does will her part of Italy become part of the new realm? Also, can the player become the new ruler of the new state (if they have sufficient martial) and how is the new ruler decided?
Finally (I think I'm forgetting something) you wrote counties join factions based on disliking their holder (rather than the realm head). If you're the realm head it seems you then have no control over these rebellions happening because they are caused by your vassals being unlikable screw ups, so will you as a realm head have any ability to deal with growing discontent with your vassals by their counties or no? ie. to prevent these rebellions before they happen.
Edit: Remembered what I forgot. If unlawful imprisonment can force a faction to go to war immediately, surely that's a very powerful tool of the player (or ai) because you can use it to destroy otherwise too powerful factions before they get too big for you to deal with. It seems to be a very good thing rather than a bad thing.
Further edit: Can you join rebellions that are ongoing in your realm? Both when they begin if you're not in the faction or/and after some time has passed.
Currently no, you can not ignore the hook just because you really don't want to have it. In general you really want to avoid people getting hooks on you, especially if they are your liege.Lets say I am a vassal and my liege has a hook on me for some reason or the other. If he tries to use it to stop me from supporting a faction can I choose to ignore the hook under great penalty? I think it would be a fun story to say that you decided the good of the realm was worth the personal cost to you. The excesses of your liege became too much to ignore and you could no longer sit by and decided to do something about it even if it ruined you.
The part were you said that if half of Iberia was occupied by Castille and the other by Catholic rebels would create a warscore problem a.k.a stalemate, how about making an event where the Catholic Rebels, and the Castillian leadership see eye to eye "We have a common enemy" and then also understands that "We also share the same faith" so we have to agree on something. The event could present you with two options A: We the Castillians have agreed with the rebels who share our faith to join forces, but we have to concede strict religious laws, and promise X religous acts for the next 10 years.Nationalism as a concept didn't really exist yet in our time period, and the Populist Faction is somewhat different in that regard. It's not necessarily about unifying all [culture] peoples into a single realm, but rather about a group of disgruntled peasants being unhappy with foreign or infidel rulership and deciding to do something about it. They don't particularly care about making a single unified realm for all [culture] or [religion] peoples, they just want to change their own situation.
We initially toyed with letting landed characters become leaders of the Populist Faction (and the eventual rulers of the splinter-realm) but that ended up causing a myriad of problems as landed characters make/break alliances, join/leave factions, gain/lose hooks, and ultimately create way more edge cases than we could reasonably account for. However, if an existing unlanded claimant is floating around in the character pool somewhere (for example, a displaced King of Castille if the Umayyads manage to subjugate all of Spain) they will become the Populist Leader instead of having the game generate a new one.
I completely understand what you're saying, but unfortunately the realities of our warfare system require all parties in competing wars to be hostile to each other. Otherwise you can end up in the extremely frustrating situation where as Asturias you have occupied half of the Umayyad's territory, the Catholic rebellion has occupied the other half, and neither of you can earn enough war score to actually win the war.
I'm confused. I thought the peasants of one of your vassals would declare their revolt against your vassal? So why would I really care about them? Or do they declare against the top liege?As the ruler of a realm, you are ultimately responsible for the actions of your vassals. If one of your vassals abuses their power and greatly upsets the populace, you face the decision of either being forced to revoke their titles to place someone more competent in charge, or dealing with the inevitable fallout when the populace revolts.
Yes, you're right thank you, the thing we can't do in ck2 is ally our vassals I believe. Makes me wonder what advantages you get by allying your vassals in ck3 (unless they just mean non-aggression pacts in this dev diary), could add a lot to the game, or nothing noticeable. There was one ck2 mod on the steam workshop where the only way to get your vassals to join you in your wars was if you allied them, which I felt added a lot to the game (although I don't know how historically accurate it is).You could already marry family to vassals and keep them out of factions with a non-aggression pact in CK2, actually
Not having rebels in a civil war become their own independent country probably happens precisely to prevent that. So you'd still have to declare war on their nominal liegeThis probably has been asked, but how does the system work with external enemies during civil wars? Can you declare war on factions
yaaay~That is all for this week, but I have an extra special treat in store you next time when we finally begin diving into how religion works in Crusader Kings III!
Ah, populist revolts always declare against the top liege. I thought you were talking about them (but I guess you meant the actual peasants).I'm confused. I thought the peasants of one of your vassals would declare their revolt against your vassal? So why would I really care about them? Or do they declare against the top liege?
What's this, 1848?Could a successful Populist rebellion in a neighboring realm affect the same population in my own realm?
Like say Poland has been split between myself (a ruler of German culture) and another ruler of German culture. A Polish Populist revolt occurs and succeeds in my neighboring realm--do the Polish counties/subjects in my realm now become inspired by seeing a revolt can succeed and become more likely to form a faction/revolt? And would it be possible for the new independent Polish realm to somehow aid the rebels?
Populist and Peasant Factions are special in that they are not created by unhappy vassals. Instead, they are created by unhappy counties.
Much like vassals, counties have an opinion of their holder which is influenced by culture, religion, events, and war. When the opinion of a county drops too low, they will join one of these two factions
I like this idea, obviously stronger factions will want to strike while the iron is hot and weaker ones might only go for it when they figure it's time to s*** or get off the pot, as it were. I do think, however, that having a bar showing you basically exactly when they'll trigger (assuming their relative power doesn't change) feels a little unrealistic, as some others have pointed out.Stronger Factions acquire Discontent rapidly in an attempt to seize the moment, while weaker Factions hem and haw a little in the hopes that more supporters will join their cause.
Great change. This always felt so weird to me when looking at the map, and it was very frustrating being spammed with marriage requests from "kings" or "emperors" who were really just upjumped dukes in the middle of a squabble over crown authority.Unlike in CK2, when a civil war is declared faction members do not form a new temporary realm.
I like the additional concessions thrown in if the vassals are forced to fight as opposed to the ruler appeasing them. It does make me wish similar mechanics were implemented in external wars - if someone declares war on you and is soundly beaten, I've always felt you should be able to extract some sort of extra concessions from them, be it gold, a hook, or maybe even holdings if you are the de jure ruler of lands they own.A victorious Faction will enforce their ultimatum with some additional concessions thrown in, while a victorious liege will imprison all faction members and gain title revocation reasons against them.
Fantastic! It seems this will be true for Populist revolts as well and feels way more historical than CK2's independence factions.As a result, Independence Factions tend to be ‘clumpy’, forming distinct regional blocs within a realm.
This is a great change. Revolt risk in CK2 is one of my least favorite mechanics so I like implementing a direct opinion score for the populace. It will also allow a kind and benevolent ruler (of the right culture and religion of course) to truly be beloved by the people and not just popular with the elite.they are created by unhappy counties.
Oh man I cannot wait to help support cultural revolts from within the HRE.Populist Factions are the more dangerous type of county faction and form when counties wish to be governed by a ruler of their own culture and/or religion. While Populist Factions are created by and primarily consist of counties, sympathetic vassals in your realm may also pledge loyalty to their cause.
This is a great mechanic. A single band of marauding peasants isn't much to worry about, but once it starts to cascade, you've got a serious problem on your hands.Every time the Rabble’s forces occupy a county, all of that county’s levies will immediately join them.
Love the way hooks are implemented across the board. As long as they aren't too easy to come by (which it doesn't seem like from the impression I've gotten) they feel really powerful and fun for roleplay. It is often frustrating how little I feel like I can influence my vassals to stay out of factions, so I appreciate the ability to hold a favor (or misdeed) over their heads to keep them in line.Adding to this, any vassals you have a hook on will be unable to join a Faction against you, whether that hook is due to them owing you a favor or due to blackmail.
Having vassals with high opinion in factions supporting another claimant is one of my least favorite things in CK2. My typical vassal management strategy is to have fewer, more powerful vassals who I work hard to keep on-side, so it's very frustrating and frankly RP-breaking when a duke I've made bribed, made my seneschal, and sent my chancellor to improve relations with still joins a faction supporting a rival claimant.Vassals who are happy enough will never join any kind of faction,
Yea the same. I was hoping for factions like that. One of the things I really like about HIP and CK2+ is that the factions feel more organic about what should be the policy for the kingdom and that some factions can serve the ruler while others may oppose them.This looks nice, but I am kinda worried we don't see a larger improvement over what was already there in CK2. The CK2 factions were single-issue rebels that sometimes had no real coherence, and their function was awkwardly given to conclave's councils. Instead, the factions from CK2+ mod (and HIP, AGoT and others) were far more interesting as they were not just simple rebels and they had actual functions.
I was hoping for things like -
- Factions that are based on positions rather than single-issue rebellions. Like the prosperity faction of CK2+ which wants rulers to focus on development of trade and infrastructure (i.e. buildings) or capture trade routes. Or the militarist faction, which wants to launch a large war of conquest. Or the zealot faction. And probably a few more.
- The same factions mentioned above should have the ability to be pleased or annoyed based on player action. If pleased they would reward you, if annoyed their members would start joining actual rebel factions.
- Happy, pleased factions contributing money and resources to liege in times of dangerous invasions, and their members who are also on the council would support your vote. Each faction could also have its own unique reward if they are satisfied for a long time - like a special conquest CB, or a truckload of money, or bonus papal influence and clergy relations and so on.
- Inter-faction management. Like faction members electing their leader instead of basing it on a "first come first serve" where whoever forms faction first becomes leader. Or faction members contributing money to the leader. Or the leader gaining the power to kick out a member from their own faction at the cost of influence and such. This is actually one scenario where mana points would work.
- Debate events and such within factions, where factions can change their claimant/target.
- Factions that have actual influence in councils and their decisions.
- Traits, claims, opinions, attributes etc. being taken into account when deciding which AI character joins which faction. Greedy, kind and diligent would likely go for prosperity faction. Martial education warlords would likely go for militarist faction. Zealots and theologians would probably go for the religious faction and so on.
...And if possible, inter-faction wars.
Now those would look like a real faction rework. And would be very enjoyable to play with.
Also, what about two Clergy themed factions? Keeping the clergy on their side was very important for a lot of medieval rulers, including outside Abrahamic religions. They could be -
A) Clergy faction - If your clergy hates you enough, the landed clergy characters could have their own faction where they rebel for concessions that would vary. They could ask for Papal/Ecclesial primacy, reduction of clerical taxes/levy duty, or forcing the ruler to pay to churches/mosques/temples, forced abdication of a heretic/heathen lord and so on.
B) Heresy/Heathen county faction - Just like peasant rebellions, these would build up in heretic/heathen counties (rather than characters) and seek to rebel with much more powerful forces on their side, with a chance that sympathetic same-faith lords in the realm could join them. Like an upgraded version of CK2's religious revolts, working like small but dangerous wars.