CK2Plus - Suggestion Thread

[vukica]

No I meant any ruler that is in your prison cell. Should make some things rather....interesting.

There is a decision for that already, I'll check if there might be something blocking it for foreign rulers.

offering more options for players to select before starting the game certainly *seems*easy

It is, but that doesn't mean it's the best solution. The current rate is perfectly fine. Trust me it is. The problem with counties converting is strictly because of low MA which reduces conversion time from 50 years to a couple of months.

but there isn't even an option to try to get him back. And, in another situation, I'm King and I want one of my vassals vassals vassal to let one of my Dukes (who has been in his prison for over a decade) go, but there is no option to do that. I think the easiest way to fix these issues would be to allow the player to always have the option to ransom, or maybe a plot to free people in jail

Ah... I'll have to look into that. Would have to be two separate decisions, one for vassals, the other for dynasty members.

In the meantime the HRE usually controls much of Europe and the Romans have been knocking the Muslims around for so long theres not much chance of a revivial

I've never seen HRE "controling much of Europe". I've seen them ONCE take france for about 10 years. Byzantium usually crashes and re-emerges. I wouldn't call them OP.

A straight adoption of the megawar system wouldn't work well, but I still think there needs to be an option for vassals to decide not to give their Lords any troops or even to decide to help the enemy fight against them if that is in their best interests

They can withold troops, and they do. In claimant wars they can also join the enemy if he's supported by a faction from inside the realm.

 

[Ivashanko]

Even with high MA conversion happens frequently, I've changed almost all of Israel to Catholic in twenty years when Id prefer it to take centuries. I've gone ahead and changed it all in my own game files, and I'll see how it works out. A 1ish% or less chance of conversion a year would be what I'd prefer.


As for Empires... Meh, maybe I've just had an unlucky string of games. In my most recent one the HRE was fighting five enemies, including revolts from three of their most powerful Lords, and beat everyone pretty easily. And the Byzantine are wreaking the Turks,the Shia, and everyone else in their way without any real problems, even before the crusades (which succeeded pretty early) arrived.

I suspect the easiest way to make Muslims bigger threats would be to nerf the Christian realms, though I only really play post 1066 so I'm unsure how that'd affect the earlier game

 

[Gimokesr]

I've never seen HRE "controling much of Europe". I've seen them ONCE take france for about 10 years. Byzantium usually crashes and re-emerges. I wouldn't call them OP.

It is just me that don't even create empire tier titles because how hard it gets to manage? Specially because the imperial decadence gets bigger way faster than you can decrease it. I always start at the earliest bookmark and the only empire that is made when I play is the caroligian empire because it is pretty much forced by the AI with the events (if charlesmagne don't die for some reason), and the Abbasid always lost a lot of lands within 25 years.

 

[Milten]

It is just me that don't even create empire tier titles because how hard it gets to manage? Specially because the imperial decadence gets bigger way faster than you can decrease it. I always start at the earliest bookmark and the only empire that is made when I play is the caroligian empire because it is pretty much forced by the AI with the events (if charlesmagne don't die for some reason), and the Abbasid always lost a lot of lands within 25 years.

Agreed. I, as a player, can handle it (but don't find it worth the trouble, since it's simply better to hand out equivalent amount of duchies instead of a kingdom, to one character), AI - not so much and it wrecks them hard. Perhaps it would be better to reduce passive gain and tie it more to other mechanics, like raided holdings, successful rebellions and other.

 

[Capinacci]

Hi everyone! This mod looks amazing! I have a suggestion for the Factions System, instead of a simply "Tradition, Court,..." replace them with specific names
For example for the Tradition Faction it could be "League of Devotees"
I hope was clear xD

 

[Mr. Alipin]

Agreed. I, as a player, can handle it (but don't find it worth the trouble, since it's simply better to hand out equivalent amount of duchies instead of a kingdom, to one character), AI - not so much and it wrecks them hard. Perhaps it would be better to reduce passive gain and tie it more to other mechanics, like raided holdings, successful rebellions and other.

Why not also tie in the Rulership foci to help reduce Imperial Decadence? Because half of its events is basically a display of ones righteous rule and by being a decent human being thus displaying the rulers authority and reducing decadence. We can also add more events for the foci dedicated to reducing decadence. A slow but sure way of dealing with decadence the next time you accidentally inherit that hot potato. And assuming we can influence the AI to pick a foci reduce the chance the AI picks seduction focus.

 

[Milten]

Why not also tie in the Rulership foci to help reduce Imperial Decadence? Because half of its events is basically a display of ones righteous rule and by being a decent human being thus displaying the rulers authority and reducing decadence. We can also add more events for the foci dedicated to reducing decadence. A slow but sure way of dealing with decadence the next time you accidentally inherit that hot potato. And assuming we can influence the AI to pick a foci reduce the chance the AI picks seduction focus.

I don't see why not. I just want to understand what's the benefit of being an emperor first.

 

[ERS92]

Can you change succession laws for Polish duchess in bookmark at year 1000?
At that time it still should be gavelkind.
In fact Poland had Seniority succession but I was stated 107 years later by https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testament_of_Bolesław_III_Wrymouth

And it was different from seniority in rest of Europe, because main title and desmense (Lesser Poland) where owned by current senior, but only that was passed to next senior after death of current one.
In example:
Duke of Mazovia was Senior with Lesser Poland, when he dies title of Senior and Lesser Poland goes to Duke of Kuyiavia, but Mazovia is passed to son of previous Senior.

And in that time rulers of Poland where titled Prince of Poland due to loss Kingdom title. It was changed when https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Władysław_I_the_Elbow-high was coronated in 1320.

That time in Polish history is called Rozbicie Dzielnicowe Polski.
https://pl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polska_w_okresie_rozbicia_dzielnicowego

 

[vukica]

Can you change succession laws for Polish duchess in bookmark at year 1000?
At that time it still should be gavelkind.
In fact Poland had Seniority succession but I was stated 107 years later by https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testament_of_Bolesław_III_Wrymouth

And it was different from seniority in rest of Europe, because main title and desmense (Lesser Poland) where owned by current senior, but only that was passed to next senior after death of current one.
In example:
Duke of Mazovia was Senior with Lesser Poland, when he dies title of Senior and Lesser Poland goes to Duke of Kuyiavia, but Mazovia is passed to son of previous Senior.

And in that time rulers of Poland where titled Prince of Poland due to loss Kingdom title. It was changed when https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Władysław_I_the_Elbow-high was coronated in 1320.

That time in Polish history is called Rozbicie Dzielnicowe Polski.
https://pl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polska_w_okresie_rozbicia_dzielnicowego

Best I can do is set polish seniority to start happening at 1107. For all titles.

 

[ogarrr]

They can withold troops, and they do. In claimant wars they can also join the enemy if he's supported by a faction from inside the realm.

This is absolutely fair, however there should be a way for situations such as the Battle of Bouvines to take place. Flanders and other French vassals were notorious for picking and choosing sides, particularly before Bouvines and during the Hundred Years War (which, tbf was a claimant war... sort of... not really).

Atm the "call vassals to war" mechanic is also clunky and drastically increases the number of troops used by various belligerents, however there should be a way to represent the relative indepenence of the pre-Phillip Augustus French vassals (as well as the Armagnacs and Burgundians) as well as the vassals of the HRE and Carolingian Empire (without getting rid of the Carolingian Empire, because that's ridiculously ahistorical.

Note that in true unhelpful fashion I've suggested things that should be in the mod, without actually suggesting "how"...

 

[vukica]

Note that in true unhelpful fashion I've suggested things that should be in the mod, without actually suggesting "how"...

noted

You've suggested stuff that should probably be in the base game.

 

[ogarrr]

noted

You've suggested stuff that should probably be in the base game.

Probably, but is rather good to vent on occasion...

 

[karmaepsilon]

Papal Chivalric Orders (that aren't at this time period military orders represented by Holy Orders/societies) as honorary titles that the Pope can give out and/or if that is no possible that a head of state gives out to pious vassals "for the Pope" would be cool.

 

[Mr. Alipin]

I don't see why not. I just want to understand what's the benefit of being an emperor first.

Taxes and Levies in bulk but mostly taxes, as well as righting the wrongs that is border gore

 

[kviiri]

Tribes are usually unable to pay their ransoms, because even that count's 70 gold is a very large sum of money for them. Usually they lack the funds to pay their ransoms, which is sad from a captor's point of view.

Solution: make tribal ransoms (in gold) smaller in gold, but substitute in prestige. Eg. a tribal count-level ruler's ransom would be something like 25 gold and 100 prestige instead of the current 70 gold and no prestige.

This would make ransoming tribals more likely to be possible, and also continue with the "prestige-as-currency" theme that the tribal countries use.

 

[vukica]

make tribal ransoms (in gold) smaller in gold, but substitute in prestige.

can't do that, it's hardcoded.

 

[kviiri]

can't do that, it's hardcoded.

I'll bring it to the main suggestion forum then, in hopes it will at least become moddable. Thanks for the quick reply!

 

[Omniscient]

can't do that, it's hardcoded.

You could fake it with a targeted decision, though.

 

[Foamybeard]

Would you guys be willing to make it so that Heremetic characters can Horoscope their grandchildren as well?

Kind of sucks when I can't do that to a child who, as a grandparent, my character would love equally as much as his Children.

Could you make it so that Satanic characters can sacrifice their grandchildren? A child sacrifice is a child sacrifice, after all.

And lastly... Could you make it so that a Demonic Impregnation leads to a Demon Spawn character?

 

[Mr. Alipin]

I noticed that the celtic pagans only had a devil worshiping society to join as and I understand that letting them in the Hermetic Society would just be lazy. Why not give them their own monastic order that is more glorious than pious. So that they can be diametrically opposed to Balor's ilk.

Naming convention I'd like to throw in Bards College since Celtic is a particularly heroic religion you gotta brush up on your oratory skills to make your tall tales believable or the Warriors Circle to hammer home how heroic the celts are. Their currency is Glory that is gained by martial stat, heroic traits like wroth or just and other traits like poet or scared. And their special actions could be sparring with another character to level their fighting skill but runs the risk of injury or even death.

As giving them an order dedicated to heroic deeds make sense thematically.