CK2Plus - Suggestion Thread

[Duke of Latium]

This is very small thing actually. Some of the bookmark don't have any description. Though I believe all of us can live with it.

 

[kaltruhe]

Is it possible to establish HRE from Charlemagne scenario if Charlemagne failed to make Carolingian empire? Because HRE decision requires 'hold complete 7 duchies of East Francia kingdom' but there is no East Francia kingdom in Charlemagne scenario...

 

[Friedrich von Deutschland]

Is it possible to establish HRE from Charlemagne scenario if Charlemagne failed to make Carolingian empire? Because HRE decision requires 'hold complete 7 duchies of East Francia kingdom' but there is no East Francia kingdom in Charlemagne scenario...

I think that there is a decision for just that contingency shock unlocks sometime in the 11th century.

 

[Ferrero]

Expanding on the coronation suggestion (I might have become mono-issue). My coding skilss are sorely limited, so I will only describe the "phenotype".

Ideally, when in an empire, a king should be able to be crowned, but the opinion and legitimacy bonus should only apply to his vassals he had before becoming emperor. When elected/inherited the empire, the vassals he hadn't before should see him as uncrowned, while his older vassals should be fine (possibily toned down by an "uncrowned emperor" modifier for them as well).
This lack of coronation should make succession less smooth for a king who has been able to reign for a few years in his kingdom; on the other hand, a proper imperial coronation will let him lower the imperial decadence. I don't know if this distinction between the two kinds of coronation could be achieved by means of flags.

Speaking of coronations, both royal and imperial, I think they could be slightly revised:

• Catholics: if the current holy roman emperor is uncrowned and the pope has a much higher opinion of you than the other emperor, you could be able to ask the Pope to crown you (after a hefty donation). This will bear bigger prestige and piety, possibly the "crowned by the pope" trait, at the cost of a small decrease of moral authority. Same thing if you have a loyal anti-pope. Basically, a further iteration of the translatio imperii.
• Catholics and heresies: if your empire or kingdom hosts a holy site, the bishop of that holy site should be the first one to propose himself for the coronation. In case of several sites, one could make a ladder, where the bishop of Rome will always be the first, then Jerusalem, then Santiago, then Cologne and Canterbury on the same level. Otherwise, the bishop that crowned the previous emperor should be the first pick for the next one.
• Orthodox, mono/myaphysites and the likes: the religious head should be the first choice (if you control his seat), otherwise the pentarch of your main kingdom, or the autocephalos patriarch.
• In general, coronations should be more than a button to get some bonus thanks to a religious figure, the best representation would be a balance between the vassal support and the religious support, weighed according to the religion: without the agreement of both your vassals or the clergy, you would get something like a "contested coronation", giving smaller bonuses, and no decadence decrease.
• This vassals/religion balance should be mostly in favour of the vassals for unreformed pagans (meaning that a priest blessing the emperor would be a nice addition but not fundamental if 90% of the vassals agree to swearing fealty), 50-50 for mazdan rulers when they have a religious head, reformed pagans and for dharmic religions, fundamental for most christians and jews.
• Muslims: vassals should be the main factor in an election, but they ought to weigh piety as well. A decadent ruler should find it very hard to be crowned. A ruler could also ask the caliph/sheikh for endorsement of his coronation, getting a small bonus; if he is the caliph himself, it should be automatic [same thing if the ruler is the fylkir?]

What do you think of these ideas?

 

[sejemaset]

• Catholics and heresies: if your empire or kingdom hosts a holy site, the bishop of that holy site should be the first one to propose himself for the coronation. In case of several sites, one could make a ladder, where the bishop of Rome will always be the first, then Jerusalem, then Santiago, then Cologne and Canterbury on the same level. Otherwise, the bishop that crowned the previous emperor should be the first pick for the next one.
• Orthodox, mono/myaphysites and the likes: the religious head should be the first choice (if you control his seat), otherwise the pentarch of your main kingdom, or the autocephalos patriarch.

Some combination of this would be nice for Reformed Pagans too, although not if you yourself are religion head. Overall I like the Imperial coronations idea.

 

[kaltruhe]

There is no mercenaries when Esfahan is my capital as a shahansha of Persian empire except mercenaries from nomads... Why don't we have more common mercenaries in the Iran region?

 

[Ferrero]

Some combination of this would be nice for Reformed Pagans too, although not if you yourself are religion head. Overall I like the Imperial coronations idea.

Yes, yes, it would make sense.

 

[Fall of Stars]

Is it possible to establish HRE from Charlemagne scenario if Charlemagne failed to make Carolingian empire? Because HRE decision requires 'hold complete 7 duchies of East Francia kingdom' but there is no East Francia kingdom in Charlemagne scenario...

If the Karlings have not formed the Carolingian Empire, it is still possible to form the HRE using the same decision if neither the King of France or Austrasia is a Karling.

In this case, the "7 duchies in East Francia" requirement is checked against the geographical region of Germany/East Francia rather than against the de jure title, but should still work the same way.

 

[RandgrizTG93]

Is there any way to forbid the Pope from leading armies? Since it's easier to be captured/capture characters in battle in this mod, I very often see the Catholics lose crusades because the Pope was captured and he's the war leader, which is obviously completely ahistorical.

 

[SirRobin]

I've noticed that the starting troops for the saffarid and karen in the 867 bookmark are replenishing. I think the karen and saffarid shouldn't keep thousands of extra troops for free. Can it be changed so starting gift stacks don't refill?

 

[Rylock]

There is no mercenaries when Esfahan is my capital as a shahansha of Persian empire except mercenaries from nomads... Why don't we have more common mercenaries in the Iran region?

Most mercenaries are restricted by religion group (as in the religion group of whoever's doing the hiring). What religion are you? Looking through the list, there don't appear to be any religion groups which don't at least have some mercenaries available.

EDIT: It seems mercenaries can also only be hired if their capital is within a certain distance from you. What religion are you? Zoroastrian?

 

[kaltruhe]

Most mercenaries are restricted by religion group (as in the religion group of whoever's doing the hiring). What religion are you? Looking through the list, there don't appear to be any religion groups which don't at least have some mercenaries available.

EDIT: It seems mercenaries can also only be hired if their capital is within a certain distance from you. What religion are you? Zoroastrian?

Thank you for your reply. It is Mazdaki (once Zoroastrian heresy, now major religion of Zoroastrian group)

 

[Orinsul]

Is there any way to forbid the Pope from leading armies? Since it's easier to be captured/capture characters in battle in this mod, I very often see the Catholics lose crusades because the Pope was captured and he's the war leader, which is obviously completely ahistorical.

There were atleast two popes it's historical for.

But for an actual answer, I'm fairly certain you can put conditions on army leading.

 

[Rylock]

But for an actual answer, I'm fairly certain you can put conditions on army leading.

Does that apply to the ruler themselves, as well? Never tried that kind of restriction, tbh.

 

[Azarias59]

I think it would be really cool if, upon divorcing your wife on the basis of infidelity, we had the option to bastardize our children by her.

 

[Friedrich von Deutschland]

Allow non-christian(catholic?) germans to create the e_germany title even after the HRE has been formed. If a German monarch converted to Germanic paganism, Islam, etc and the HRE had fallen I can imagine they would create a German empire when given the chance rather that revive the HRE.

 

[schwarherz]

Allow non-christian(catholic?) germans to create the e_germany title even after the HRE has been formed. If a German monarch converted to Germanic paganism, Islam, etc and the HRE had fallen I can imagine they would create a German empire when given the chance rather that revive the HRE.

This is already the case.

e_germany = {
    color = { 160 95 95 }
    color2 = { 220 220 20 }
    capital = 314 # Nürnberg
    creation_requires_capital = no
    culture = german
    short_name = yes

    allow = {
        is_title_active = FROM
        is_adult = yes
        has_regent = no
        war = no
        lower_tier_than = emperor
        ruled_years = 5
        custom_tooltip = {
            text = german_empire_requirements # I am unable to form the Holy Roman Empire
            hidden_tooltip = {
                OR = {
                    is_heretic = yes
                    e_hre = { has_holder = yes }
                    FROM = { has_holder = yes }
                    FROM = { is_titular = no }
                    NOT = { is_title_active = e_hre }
                    NOR = {
                        religion = catholic
                        religion = cathar
                        religion = fraticelli
                        religion = waldensian
                        religion = lollard
                        religion = adoptionist
                    }
                }
            }
        }
        OR = {
            FROM = { has_holder = yes }
            FROM = { is_titular = no }
            ROOT = {
                realm_size = 150
                culture = german
            }
        }
    }
}

 

[Friedrich von Deutschland]

This is already the case.

e_germany = {
    color = { 160 95 95 }
    color2 = { 220 220 20 }
    capital = 314 # Nürnberg
    creation_requires_capital = no
    culture = german
    short_name = yes

    allow = {
        is_title_active = FROM
        is_adult = yes
        has_regent = no
        war = no
        lower_tier_than = emperor
        ruled_years = 5
        custom_tooltip = {
            text = german_empire_requirements # I am unable to form the Holy Roman Empire
            hidden_tooltip = {
                OR = {
                    is_heretic = yes
                    e_hre = { has_holder = yes }
                    FROM = { has_holder = yes }
                    FROM = { is_titular = no }
                    NOT = { is_title_active = e_hre }
                    NOR = {
                        religion = catholic
                        religion = cathar
                        religion = fraticelli
                        religion = waldensian
                        religion = lollard
                        religion = adoptionist
                    }
                }
            }
        }
        OR = {
            FROM = { has_holder = yes }
            FROM = { is_titular = no }
            ROOT = {
                realm_size = 150
                culture = german
            }
        }
    }
}

Huh, well its inactive in the 1066 start at any rate so that's something to fix. Thanks for the response.

 

[Friedrich von Deutschland]

Just a small teaser from the upcoming version:

This screenshot actually showcases a big problem I have with the Carolagian Empire formation: not including italy. Any chance the empire could require ownership of Italy to form and the events to conquer it could be speed up? Historicaly it was the first conquest of Charlemagne and it is unlikely that the pope would have declared him the holy roman emperor unless they shared a border (implicit threat of military power).

 

[Rylock]

This screenshot actually showcases a big problem I have with the Carolagian Empire formation: not including italy. Any chance the empire could require ownership of Italy to form and the events to conquer it could be speed up? Historicaly it was the first conquest of Charlemagne and it is unlikely that the pope would have declared him the holy roman emperor unless they shared a border (implicit threat of military power).

I'm not particularly interested in doing more railroading with Charlemagne, but I'll consider amping up his aggressiveness.