CK2Plus Continuation - Balance improvements, more kingdoms and empires, more ambition

[KermitxTheFrog]

I am having a glitch during the prepared invasion I get a popup telling me people are joining my cause but no way to close the popup

 

[schwarherz]

what the heck is the .git file?

That would be a file I forgot to delete before zipping it all up that is needed by our repository program, GitHub.

 

[homeworlder]

- Incorporated No Hassles Vassals

Yesssss!

 

[thekonkoe]

I haven't played the mod for a while so was pleasantly surprised when I noticed a Norse Gael culture (Gallawa) in the files. However they don't seem to be in any of the historical start dates. I don't know if they appear by event or aren't in game at all, but if you do intend to ever add them to the history files I have some suggestions to where they would best fit.

Depending on how you want to interpret the culture it may well be best to keep many if not all the early rulers of the isles as Norse/Norwegian so as they will align more with other Nordic rulers rather than Celtic ones, although if Somerled and his contemporaries are represented to any degree they would probably be better represented as a Norse-Gael, due to a greater connection to Scotland (this being more for gameplay reasons than necessarily implying a different culture).

Also whether represented as Gallawa, Norse or Norwegian, Gudrod Crovans vassals (at least the ones in Galloway and Mann) should probably be of the same culture. Currently the setup is such that a bunch of Norse-Gaels all hate each other because they think they are different cultures, which doesn't make much sense.

I also have some suggestions for the provinces near the isles/soreyar, whether you are adding the Norse gaels or not. Obviously these are just my opinions, but I feel that some of these changes could improve gameplay and historical immersion in the region.

If the Norse-Gaels were to be added to provinces I would suggest that at least Mann should be Gallawa from the old gods start, as while the Vikings did dominate the region they didn't completely oust the culture - the Manx people were a separate Goidelic peoples from the Scots and Gaels before the Norse arrived and remained so after they left and Norse Gael isn't a bad approximation of their culture. Currently ingame they change from Norse, to Norwegian to Scottish, which is a little jarring. Even if you aren't adding the Norse Gael culture may I suggest that you either leave the Manx in the north Germanic group for the whole timeline (ie Norse-Norwegian) or pick a Gaelic group to stick them in (Scots if you want them to integrate nicely into the kingdom of Scotland, Irish if you want them to be a bit rebellious). All of these groups could be argued to be a somewhat acceptable representation of the manx, but the current culture shift doesn't make all that much sense.

For Dublin and the Hebrides it could be argued that they should be Norse-Gaels from the tog start date but It would also be perfectly reasonable to have them as Norse at that point in time. However some point between 1000-1100 is the latest you could convert them to Gallawa as relatively shortly after that era the rulership of these areas passes out of Norse (or even Norse-Gaelic) rulership, and it wouldn't make much sense to have such a cultural conversion with rulers of a completely different culture.

As a final note, while most of the area of land represented by the province of Argyll was under Scottish rule rather than part of the kingdom of the isles for most of the game period, the game seems to use it mostly to represent the Island/coastal parts rather than the entire area. Because of this I think it would be better to represent it as either Norse or Gallawa in the earlier part of the game, and then either Gallawa or Scots later on, rather than the current setup up which has it as Scottish for the entire period.

Anyway, I hope at least some of that was of some help. Even if not thanks for keeping this great mod alive.

Gallawa was added about a month ago, my understanding of it is as a melting pot, the same way Sicilian and English work. I quite like it that way. The melting pots in general are a dynamic I really like. It captures the cultural shifts that occurred during the era. I realize the priority is to bring the mod fully back online, but I'd like to add a bit of a wishlist for this type of thing:

It seems a bit odd for the Gallawa names to match perfectly with the Irish ones from OTL. Many of the Irish names blend Irish, Norse and Anglo-Norman elements. I'd personally prefer more Norse names to be kept for holdings in Gallawa, though I do like the balance in personal names. I could do some of the work for this (or indeed all if it can wait for a month or so), the main thing I'd need to know where cultural names for holdings are kept.

In a similar vein, I think Occitan names for holdings would be a nice flavor touch. It would help visualize the encroachment of Frankish power into the south, and give some extra reward to players in the region that become independent. I could help with this as well, but the greater volume of provinces would make it more lengthy, also honestly it wouldn't personally be my priority.

Someone who knows more may want to comment, but should any more of the Norse names be linked? If this could be extended to Gallawa I'd definitely help out.

I like the culture system quite a lot at the moment, and would rather not rock the boat. But if it does undergo changes I'd like to contribute my two cent in a few areas. Russian could be a good melting pot, though I'm unsure what to precede it with. To have Rhaetians in most of modern Switzerland and perhaps the parts of Swabia and Tyrol in 867. The level of Teutonization in the area is debatable, so I'm uncertain. Could/should the Norse division/evolution be replicated for Germans and perhaps other cultures if they are divided among multiple king tier titles?

 

[Darky]

Just discovered that Eastern African provinces (Tadjoura, Harer, Socotra, Berbera and Busaso) has a culture of "noculture" in my new CK2+ campaign (with latest patch). How can I fix that manually before next patch will be released (and what culture is proper to add there)?

 

[Teutonizer]

(and what culture is proper to add there)?

I think Somalian should be there?

 

[Darky]

Already found that it should be Somali culture but why it doesn't work as intended? As I remember it worked well in previous CK2+ versions...

 

[Darky]

Nubia and some Malian territories are missing cultures aswell. I'm confused, never had such issue with CK2+ before :wacko:

 

[unmerged(767278)]

can somone please tell me wich files must I copy from CK + mod to simulate the 4 th crusade?I m combining a couple of mods for personal use,and would like to know what exactly are the mechanics in CK + that allow a crusade against the Byzantines,thus emulating the 4 th crusade !

 

[schwarherz]

Already found that it should be Somali culture but why it doesn't work as intended? As I remember it worked well in previous CK2+ versions...

code is funny like that. You can change something completely unrelated and break something else. We'll look into it.

 

[Darky]

code is funny like that. You can change something completely unrelated and break something else. We'll look into it.

Yeah please do as I've mentioned already that there are some other African cultures affected

 

[Darky]

Any chances for an update or even fix today?

 

[zeress]

Any chances for an update or even fix today?

There's a very bad CTD bug atm in the current dev. version we are working on, so don't count on it.

 

[Dwarden]

No problem, I didn't mean to be so snippy either. Effects of tiredness on a brain and all. Anyways we've been considering VIET and how much of it we want to incorporate into CKII+ and in what way. So far as the other two you'd have to give us links and we can see what they do and if they'd be worth merging in.

well atm i'm using 1.111 with CK2+C these additional mods (which You asked links for)
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?694205-Mini-MOD-Council-Equality-mod
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?587533-MOD-Yet-More-Kingdoms(And-Empires)
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...ls-and-other-crazy-things.-A-localisation-mod

+ VIET

+these which you already list as compatible with CK2+C
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...od-Flavourful-Titular-Titles-for-Base-and-CK2
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...4-MOD-K%F6ppen-Climate-Classification-for-CK2
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...od-Flavourful-Titular-Titles-for-Base-and-CK2

+ NBRT+
+ SWHM 2.75x

so far all seems to work , so keep up the great work and integrate all the goodies you can (and are allowed to ofc)

p.s. i take any tips about good mods i'm missing to this mix ... pm or just post

 

[unmerged(767278)]

can somone please tell me wich files must I copy from CK + mod to simulate the 4 th crusade?I m combining a couple of mods for personal use,and would like to know what exactly are the mechanics in CK + that allow a crusade against the Byzantines,thus emulating the 4 th crusade !

..

 

[EightDeer]

can somone please tell me wich files must I copy from CK + mod to simulate the 4 th crusade?I m combining a couple of mods for personal use,and would like to know what exactly are the mechanics in CK + that allow a crusade against the Byzantines,thus emulating the 4 th crusade !

What you're looking for is Crusade Target weight in common/landed_titles/landed_titles.txt. I'm not sure if CK2+ changed these, but this page holds the vanilla target weights.

According to that page, it is possible for a crusade to Constantinople to be called in vanilla, it's just lower priority than Jerusalem.

 

[schwarherz]

CTD issue located, fix in progress

 

[unmerged(767278)]

What you're looking for is Crusade Target weight in common/landed_titles/landed_titles.txt. I'm not sure if CK2+ changed these, but this page holds the vanilla target weights.

According to that page, it is possible for a crusade to Constantinople to be called in vanilla, it's just lower priority than Jerusalem.

wow,so it s possible to call even if Constantinopol is not under non christian rule?sweet

 

[EightDeer]

wow,so it s possible to call even if Constantinopol is not under non christian rule?sweet

Yes, it's possible for the Pope to call a Crusade on the Byzantines, but it's subject to certain conditions:

All of the British Isles, modern France, modern Germany, the whole Italian peninsula and the Low Countries are completely controlled by Catholics.
The Muslims have to be driven out of Iberia entirely.
The Kingdom of Jerusalem is in Catholic hands.

Only if all those conditions are fulfilled will you see a Crusade aimed at Constantinople.

 

[schwarherz]

Yes, it's possible for the Pope to call a Crusade on the Byzantines, but it's subject to certain conditions:

All of the British Isles, modern France, modern Germany, the whole Italian peninsula and the Low Countries are completely controlled by Catholics.
The Muslims have to be driven out of Iberia entirely.
The Kingdom of Jerusalem is in Catholic hands.

Only if all those conditions are fulfilled will you see a Crusade aimed at Constantinople.

I believe you can change Constantinople's crusade weight if you want them to prioritize it.