For some reason, family members are not excluded from the pool of women who this event can trigger with. This is surely a vanilla bug which Paradox hasn't bothered to fix either.
CK2Plus - Balance improvements, more kingdoms and empires, more ambitions and plots
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For some reason, family members are not excluded from the pool of women who this event can trigger with. This is surely a vanilla bug which Paradox hasn't bothered to fix either.
Whenever I make a kingdom as a Pagan, my succession law always switches to Primogeniture, I thought Pagans were supposed to be limited to Gavelkind.
Read the last few pages, especially one longer post of mine, we've been discussing problems like this for a while now.
I like the idea of an event firing that'll create kingdoms. Brainstorming here: something like if a lord holds more than 90% of a de jure kingdom's counties, his vassals demand that he create the kingdom for a much cheaper gold cost? With a slight prestige hit for declining?
EDIT: better than prestige, a vassal relationship hit across the board.
EDIT: better than prestige, a vassal relationship hit across the board.
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Battle bunny,
I played a Yorvik game in vanilla and I did see Denmark, Sweden, and Norway all form. So, I'm not sure what is different about CK2Plus that is stopping the AI from creating extra duchies and Kingdoms. One factor may be the max duchies allowed compared to duchies required for kingdom creation.
I lowered the required number of duchies to 2 in my game for testing purposes.
Also, in my current game, the Orthodox ruler of Cornwall did create the kingdom of Cornwall after taking a second duchy (wessex). Then, when Orthodox Brittany took over Cornwall, they created the Kingdom of Brittany. So Christian dukes are creating Kingdoms. I need to find out about pagan rulers. There are many one duchy dukes around. Sjalland took over Ostlandet and now holds two duchies but doesn't have enough piety yet. I will report back.
I played a Yorvik game in vanilla and I did see Denmark, Sweden, and Norway all form. So, I'm not sure what is different about CK2Plus that is stopping the AI from creating extra duchies and Kingdoms. One factor may be the max duchies allowed compared to duchies required for kingdom creation.
I lowered the required number of duchies to 2 in my game for testing purposes.
Also, in my current game, the Orthodox ruler of Cornwall did create the kingdom of Cornwall after taking a second duchy (wessex). Then, when Orthodox Brittany took over Cornwall, they created the Kingdom of Brittany. So Christian dukes are creating Kingdoms. I need to find out about pagan rulers. There are many one duchy dukes around. Sjalland took over Ostlandet and now holds two duchies but doesn't have enough piety yet. I will report back.
According to what I've heard from vanilla users, it's only duchies, not kingdoms, that aren't being created. If your vanilla game only required 2 duchies to form a kingdom, it is not implausible that they did form a kingdom - even in my single game, mega-Sjaelland got Ostlandet as a second duchy at one point through a claim. It is certain that vanilla users also experience the no duchy creation problem.
This actually isn't strictly true. If you look at the event, it won't even trigger for close relatives unless a) the liege is lustful, or b) the divine_blood trait is in play (so Zoroastrians or GoT Targaryens), and the lover is much more likely to reject your advances if they're a close relative without divine_blood.
I imagine this is WAD.
edit: Also, Battle bunny, there's a block (event 110027) in maintenance_events that creates kingdoms (for free, effectively) for the AI if they hold more than 50% of the relevant provinces. It gets used in the empire dissolution code, but it should be possible to do something similar for duchies, but I'll have to test if it works as intended.
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Vanilla normally requires only two duchies to form a kingdom. I lowered the requirement in CK2Plus. Another problem is that the AI seems to prioritize buildings over titles unless maybe it is a higher tier title.
ya we need the ducies requirement to go back to two i think. Especially considering certain kingdoms like wales.
Ah, this explains the mege Sjaelland in my campaign, there is just one duchy in there...
Yeah I thought it made for quite an interesting storyline when my character had an affair with his oldest daughter, who also happened to be his heir. When Queen Marina took over the kingdom, she was promptly nicknamed "the wicked" so word must have gotten out about the whole sordid affair
Just to clear up all doubts about the no title creation bug, I ran a game in vanilla. A few decades of observation confirmed that it is indeed a vanilla issue. The hands-off game also made me realise why kingdoms are created quite often in vanilla and thus why the issue went relatively unnoticed in the main forum: because of all the lame CBs the pagans get! For example, there's the "Become king of" ambition that allows you to essentially snap up a whole de jure kingdom in years with limitless subjugation casus bellis. That CB will take all ducal titles as well - for example, I witnessed Holmgardr conquer the majority of "Rus" with this casus belli. Most of its enemies were count-level or only had a tribal title, so Rurik didn't gain a second ducal title for a long time, but eventually it fought a de jure duchy of "Chud", subjugated it and gained the ducal title, immediately forming "Gardariki". Similar story with Denmark and Sweden. On the other hand, Sudreyjar never managed to get a second duchy title this way, so when I stopped observing, Sudreyjar had 500ish gold, nearly all of Scotland, half of Ireland and in a good vanilla fashion, a patchwork of provinces all over the coast of England - but it had no chance of forming any kingdom.
Since the turbo-subjugation CB is taken out in CK2+, this cheap and easy way of forming kingdoms is gone. As it is the ONLY reason kingdoms form in vanilla as well, in CK2+ it is understandable why no pagan kingdom will ever form starting from a single duchy. It'll be weeks before we have a reasonably playable version of TOG CK2+.
Since the turbo-subjugation CB is taken out in CK2+, this cheap and easy way of forming kingdoms is gone. As it is the ONLY reason kingdoms form in vanilla as well, in CK2+ it is understandable why no pagan kingdom will ever form starting from a single duchy. It'll be weeks before we have a reasonably playable version of TOG CK2+.
It's clunky and annoying, but it's possible to give the AI kingdom titles via console commands. I've been doing that so far whenever a pagan gets big enough.
There should be some event (chain?) to push realms to create titles, not doing so is often far too beneficial. Now that it would also fix this bug it's almost too good not to have 
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