Convert a Province Ambition requires that your own province is converted. It doesn't work on vassal's provinces.
CK2Plus - Balance improvements, more kingdoms and empires, more ambitions and plots
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Did you remove event where pope gives you money for fighting heathens ? Because have been playing as Castille for a while fighting muslims all the time , but haven't got any support from the Pope yet , as in vanilla i got it pretty often.
Did you remove event where pope gives you money for fighting heathens ? Because have been playing as Castille for a while fighting muslims all the time , but haven't got any support from the Pope yet , as in vanilla i got it pretty often.
Might be userdir if you are using that, edit CK2Plus.mod and uncomment #user_dir = "CK2Plus" to check.
Wiz, there seem to be a problem sometimes that if you take a muslim county via holy war and immediately hand it over to a (christian) vassal, it stays agnatic open. My Duchy of Barcelona now got 2 counties that use agnatic open as succession law. And no, I'm only using your mod, so it is not a conflict of some sorts.
I dont know if anyone has asked this before, but are you guys able to return the de jure kingdoms from the germany and france area back in??
Gave my son all 3 counties of thrace then the duchy (which I stole right from the Emperor himself in the middle of a Byz revolution). Imagine my surprise when my son turned into a vassal of the ERE despite being a Cuman Tengri not to mention the son of the Cuman Khan. Woops!
Also I dunno if this is vanilla or not but the 'mayor hates you so levies are 200% slower' event is firing for 100+ relation mayors. I go look at this mayor who hates me and he's practically fellating my genius tall attractive Grey Eminence who has a 29 diplo chancellor (+78 from Diplo alone plus all my lovely eugenics traits). I think sum total was somewhere around 150.
Also I dunno if this is vanilla or not but the 'mayor hates you so levies are 200% slower' event is firing for 100+ relation mayors. I go look at this mayor who hates me and he's practically fellating my genius tall attractive Grey Eminence who has a 29 diplo chancellor (+78 from Diplo alone plus all my lovely eugenics traits). I think sum total was somewhere around 150.
Thank you for a great mod.
It makes CK experience much better.
I especially like map changes (de jure kingdom settings) and better pagans handling.
But I have one questions - why demesne limits are so low for kingdoms?
For example in vanilla King of Denmark with 16 stewardship, 16 wife stewardship and 14 steward stewardship (38 points) has 10 provinces demesne limit.
In CK2+ with 34 points he has only 5 provinces limit (just 1 province more than kings with much lower stewardship). Could it be tweaked a bit? I think 6-7 would be OK in this case.
It makes CK experience much better.
I especially like map changes (de jure kingdom settings) and better pagans handling.
But I have one questions - why demesne limits are so low for kingdoms?
For example in vanilla King of Denmark with 16 stewardship, 16 wife stewardship and 14 steward stewardship (38 points) has 10 provinces demesne limit.
In CK2+ with 34 points he has only 5 provinces limit (just 1 province more than kings with much lower stewardship). Could it be tweaked a bit? I think 6-7 would be OK in this case.
Incorrect. It requires that your own chaplain do the conversion however, not your vassal's. You probably got the vassal notifier event for converting their own province.
In vanilla demesne limits for Kingdoms are just as low, its just that demense limit bonuses for stewardship are crazy resulting in even counts getting 9 province demesne limits. I greatly reduce this because its unbalanced. Consider that even +1 demesne limit is +25% personal troops and income, then consider how incredibly unbalanced stewardship is in vanilla when it can easily more than double your personal income and troops, ON TOP of the innate tax bonus it gives.
I agree that 100% more is too much but IMO difference between brilliant stewardship and weak stewardship could be more than 25%
I agree that 100% more is too much but IMO difference between brilliant stewardship and weak stewardship could be more than 25%
Depending on your rank it can be as much as 100%, and once again remember that each point of stewardship gives +2% tax ON TOP of the demesne increase. Stewardship is still an incredibly powerful stat.
Thank you for explanations and great work on CK+.
I made some small changes for myself in defines.lua (I set DEMESNE_MAX_SIZE_STEWARDSHIP_MULT to 0.15 - was 0.25 in vanilla and 0.075 in CK+).
EDIT.
Tax bonus is connected with this variable:
static_stewardship_mod = {
global_tax_modifier = 0.015
}
or should I search it in another place?
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Yeah, that's the tax bonus. You're of course free to mod your own version however you please, but ask yourself this question: How often do you educate your rulers in any other stat than stewardship? I think for the vast majority of people used to vanilla, the answer is either 'rarely' or 'never'. Stewardship really is quite broken.
1. I'm I really the only person who has seen this crash to desktop upon a successful crusade? It's almost surely a CK2Plus issue because this has never happened with vanilla and its consistently happening with CK2plus. And it's gamebreaking.
2. On the stewardship demense affect: I'll add my voice to those that believe it's still unreasonable. I have a midas touched king with a wife with over 10 stewardship and I still get only one extra demense after the patch. That's a bit harsh. The six extra I would get in vanilla might be unreasonable too, but to have such a high stewardship couple still get only one extra demense makes the entire bonus a bit pointless.
To me, the correct way to think about this is to think about what the bonuses should be first and then engineer the right numbers. If it were me, I would say the bonus should be 0-3. No bonus for low stewarship, one for modest, two for high, and three for godly. Then you backwards engineer the breaks, which should probably be in increments of 10 -- 0, 10, 20, 30.
But if you're so hostile to stewardship increasing demense that you believe a godly king should only get 2 bonus counties, and everyone else only 1 bonus county, just take the whole thing out. No bonus for anyone. It's the better solution. Then players don't have to hunt around to get ridiculous bonuses just to hold most of their two home duchies and can just play without thinking about it. That's the more fun solution.
2. On the stewardship demense affect: I'll add my voice to those that believe it's still unreasonable. I have a midas touched king with a wife with over 10 stewardship and I still get only one extra demense after the patch. That's a bit harsh. The six extra I would get in vanilla might be unreasonable too, but to have such a high stewardship couple still get only one extra demense makes the entire bonus a bit pointless.
To me, the correct way to think about this is to think about what the bonuses should be first and then engineer the right numbers. If it were me, I would say the bonus should be 0-3. No bonus for low stewarship, one for modest, two for high, and three for godly. Then you backwards engineer the breaks, which should probably be in increments of 10 -- 0, 10, 20, 30.
But if you're so hostile to stewardship increasing demense that you believe a godly king should only get 2 bonus counties, and everyone else only 1 bonus county, just take the whole thing out. No bonus for anyone. It's the better solution. Then players don't have to hunt around to get ridiculous bonuses just to hold most of their two home duchies and can just play without thinking about it. That's the more fun solution.
As I keep saying, what I don't think realize is the way in which stewardship bonuses scale because of the demesne limit increase AND tax increase. Let's do some quick math here: Let's say you get 1 extra county per 10 stewardship (old numbers). Assuming each county only has a single castle with an income of 4, let's take a King with no legalism.
A King with 0 self+wife stewardship would get 4 counties * 4 income = 16 gold a year
A King with 10 self+wife would get 5 * 4 * 1.20 = 24 gold a year. Note how income has jumped 50% with only 10 stewardship difference.
A King with 20 self+wife would get 6 * 4 * 1.40 = 33 gold a year. We're now making more than double the amount of money as a 0 stewardship ruler.
A King with 30 self+wife would get 7 * 4 * 1.60 = 44 gold a year, almost triple the income of 0 stewardship and almost double the income of 10 stewardship.
This isn't accounting your steward's stewardship. Let's assume we have a 15 skill steward (not hard to get). The numbers are now:
0 self+wife = 21 a year
10 self+wife = 30 a year
20 self+wife = 41 a year
30 self+wife = 56 a year
That's the raw demesne income. Of course this doesn't account for the fact that each castle also gives you hundreds of extra troops, or that each county gives you additional cities and temples that even further raise your income. So we're talking about getting triple the income, at least 1000 extra demense troops AND more city/temple vassals for going all out stewardship... and that's with numbers significantly nerfed from vanilla.
In short, anyone who thinks stewardship has been nerfed to uselessness is plain wrong. It just happens to be insanely, insanely, INSANELY overpowered in vanilla to the point where even a large nerf is not enough to bring it on par with the other stats.
A King with 0 self+wife stewardship would get 4 counties * 4 income = 16 gold a year
A King with 10 self+wife would get 5 * 4 * 1.20 = 24 gold a year. Note how income has jumped 50% with only 10 stewardship difference.
A King with 20 self+wife would get 6 * 4 * 1.40 = 33 gold a year. We're now making more than double the amount of money as a 0 stewardship ruler.
A King with 30 self+wife would get 7 * 4 * 1.60 = 44 gold a year, almost triple the income of 0 stewardship and almost double the income of 10 stewardship.
This isn't accounting your steward's stewardship. Let's assume we have a 15 skill steward (not hard to get). The numbers are now:
0 self+wife = 21 a year
10 self+wife = 30 a year
20 self+wife = 41 a year
30 self+wife = 56 a year
That's the raw demesne income. Of course this doesn't account for the fact that each castle also gives you hundreds of extra troops, or that each county gives you additional cities and temples that even further raise your income. So we're talking about getting triple the income, at least 1000 extra demense troops AND more city/temple vassals for going all out stewardship... and that's with numbers significantly nerfed from vanilla.
In short, anyone who thinks stewardship has been nerfed to uselessness is plain wrong. It just happens to be insanely, insanely, INSANELY overpowered in vanilla to the point where even a large nerf is not enough to bring it on par with the other stats.
I don't think it's nerfed to uselessness. I agree it's still the best stat. I don't know why this is a problem. Something has to be the best stat. Why not stewardship? But whatever.
But if the philosophy of this mod is that no king should ever get more than a +2 demense bonus, and almost all of them will only ever get +1 -- just take it out completely. Clearly you believe extra demense is too powerful when combined with bonus tax. Fine. (I disagree -- that a world-beating brilliant manager king married to an efficient manager-genius earns twice as much from his demense as a bumbling imbecile who is careless with money married to a vapid spendthrift who loves jewels doesn't strike me as a problem at all, but in fact just right. But you clearly disagree and its your mod).
If you leave the bonus in, it encourages players to go to ridiculous lengths to bump stewardship just to get that +2 bonus. The smaller your demense, the bigger deal an extra slot is as you well demonstrate. What's more, most players are going to go crazy trying to own all of their two home duchies. So this just further distorts the game, it doesn't make it better.
If you don't think players should be getting extra demense because it's too powerful, just take the whole thing out. Then players can just play without worrying or thinking so hard about maxing at stewardship just to get that one extra slot. At least that's what I'd do if it were my mod and I shared your philosophy.
Wiz, any idea why after taking over a muslim county via holy war, at first when I hold the province myself it has the correct succession law, but once I hand it out to a vassal switches back to agnatic open? It's kinda annoying because it leads to provinces switching to a different liege sometimes.
hey wiz when the next version comes out is it possible to reduce the plot power for the aquire kingdom plot ? seems alittle broken with the vanilla plot power that i can lose my kingdom to a civil war wait a week pick the plot get a single duke to go along with it ( in my case the total military strenght between me and the lone duke wasnt even close enough to win a war if the plot went sour ) and instantly have the person that thought for the kingdom just hand it right back over without so much as a whimper.
Has traits been changed at all?
Im wondering if my children can get the trait "strong" or "genious" from their guardian?
or if its only from inheritanse?
Im wondering if my children can get the trait "strong" or "genious" from their guardian?
or if its only from inheritanse?
Can't do anything about the way plot power is calculated really, its a very broken formula to be sure.
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