CK2Plus - Balance improvements, more kingdoms and empires, more ambitions and plots

[Wizzington]

Just a random thought.. would it be possible to use the No Time Limit mod without the main mod?

What did you do to have a no time limit mod, by the way? I seem to remember the last few Paradox games made it hard to make no time limit mods. Did they change it back to the good old "no hard-coded end"?

Edit: Looking at the mod, it seems like you just changed the end date. Does that really work? I was sure I could remember there being problems with that in for example EU3.

Yes, it just changes defines.txt. As far as I know it works.

 

[Wizzington]

So, I love this mod... with on exception: the disabling of attrition. Think I'm in the minority, so I won't ask you to change... but I would appreciate knowing where to go in the mod files and what to look for in said files so I can change attrition back to how it works in vanilla.

map/terrain.txt, look at the supply limits.

 

[Wizzington]

Also, that. Don't see them in-game as of the most recent update (and they weren't there at least in .28). Don't know if you removed them yourself at some point of if it's just a bug, figured I'd mention it again.

They were removed in a recent version, it was in the changelog. The bonus troops made Abyssinia too strong so the Shia Caliphate ended up being crushed between them and Crusaders almost every game. Not happy with how it's now back to Shia Caliphate conquering Abyssinia most games but I'll have to figure out another solution.

 

[Wizzington]

Great Mod! Thank you wiz for doing some great work in putting this together.

I was wondering about the medium Crown Authority.

I thought under that, your vassals (Dukes) can't fight each other. Well, as King of England Wales and Ireland, I have several Dukes in France who have now been declaring war on each other. Is this a bug or is this because they are still considered de jure to be under the Kingdom of France?


This is my first real Paradox game and omgosh this has been amazing, it's like Total War Diplomacy on steroids.

Yeah, the crown authority of France is applying here. Go into de jure kingdom map mode and mouseover a province to see which crown law applies.

 

[Wizzington]

So I've been playing this mod since 0.25, and it's been great. Although I love the new version (0.31) especially the assassin nerf, I've been having problems with pressing claims.

So in Vanilla, you could invite ANYBODY to you court and push a claim, and essentially you can expand mega-fast this way if you have a large military. I like how you need to get your kin on the wait-list before this works now, more realistic. However, few I've been marrying my peeps to claimants like crazy, and for some reason, they DONT INHERIT THE CLAIM (even though it says it is inheritable). My question is, is this a bug, or is there a special circumstance for claims to be inherited?

More specifically, matril marriage of my female kinsmen to tile holders - no kid gets the claim after the dad dies.
Reg marriage of male kinsmen to claimants - no kid gets claim after mom dies.
Reg marriage of ME OR MY KIDS to female claimants - inherited claim.

This is frustrating as the claims take careful planning and span a generation. I tried replaying my game a few times already to see if it was a one-time thing, or if i tried to not invite them and just set-up the marriage abroad. No dice.

So I'm not sure if it's a bug, or if it's intended, but can someone help me get around this issue? I don't like having to fabricate my way to be the dutch king of Ireland

I have no control over the way claims are inherited.

 

[Wizzington]

I had a question how to I get the Brit Empire, I was looking at the title folder and I didn't see the title.

EDIT @ 12:12 PM EDT: So I found it, my problem next problem is do I have to start a new game or can I load a saved game?

You can't play a vanilla save.

 

[Wizzington]

Compatible with .29 and up.

0.32:
- Fixed a bug that was causing characters not to be set as your vassals when fighting a war for their claim, even when they met the conditions for becoming your vassal.
- Byzantium now starts with Open succession to try and simulate the devastating wars for the throne that destabilized them during the CK2 era.
- Fixed a bug that was making it impossible to usurp Empire level titles.
- Jewish characters can now hire mercenaries.
- Fixed a bug that was causing crown authority to not be set correctly when forming an Empire.
- Moved Cornish to Celtic culture group.
- Crusades are now more likely to target Jerusalem.
- Crusades and Jihads are now less likely to occur after 1250.
- Rebalanced the effects of councillor job assignments.
- Sending your steward to oversee construction will now slightly lower build cost.
- To fabricate a claim, you must now have the prestige on hand: 100 for a county or 250 for a duchy. If you do not have the prestige, the event to get the claim will not fire.
- Male characters can now plot to kill heirs of titles their children are pretenders to.
- AI characters will now abort plots that are going nowhere after a few years.

CK2Plus 0.32 (2shared)

 

[Wizzington]

I'm not sure you're really making a fair comparison to vanilla here. In vanilla there are NO childbirth deaths, 33% gavelkind is not much of a difference to 30% and landless prestige son penalties were decreased because you get MUCH less prestige for holding titles/vassals, so the penalty was out of proportion to the new prestige values. Finally, the reason I reduced vassal plot frequency is because I made them more potent instead - so instead of frequent but harmless plots you get infrequent but challenging ones. That is the goal of this mod - challenging the player instead of just annoying them. In vanilla, vassals can plot even at very high positive relationships, which is silly since it removes the benefit of managing your vassals well.

The way to get a balanced/difficult game isn't to just cut every single positive benefit in half and call it a day. Try vanilla, then try CK2Plus. I doubt you will find the latter to be easier.

 

[Wizzington]

Edit 2: Is there any list of some sort of compatible sub-mods to CK2+?

No, but if anyone here knows of mods that have CK2+ compatible versions, let me know and I'll link them from the OP.

 

[Wizzington]

You should add this mod to CK2Pus: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...-Mod-Campaign-Map-Culturally-different-cities.

Will be in next version.

 

[Wizzington]

I try, and I found it easier than Vanilla .... Of course some balancing increases the difficulty a bit. But in the essemble I find it rather easy rebalancing.

33% is not much of difference to 30%,but 30% is already a huge bonus! Why even increase rather than reduce it...20% or 25%???

What particular things did you find more difficult in vanilla? And who were you playing?

It's really just so it will round values of 3 better (so Counts and Dukes will see a benefit from it). Gavelkind has massive penalties, I think the demesne bonus for it is fair. Keep in mind that CK2+ has a much lower demesne bonus from stewardship, so on the whole demesne is much more limited.

 

[Wizzington]

Could you please add the checksum of the latest version to the OP?

I would be much obliged.

The problem with that is the 3 optional modules, so there's 10 different checksums depending on which combination you play with...

 

[Wizzington]

But why reduce bonus to stewarship??Reduce the demesne size directly in common/definie is more logic....

Reduce bonus stewardship-->reduce the interest to education of child--->reduce some part of gameplay.???Yes/No??

PS.I'll restart game of your mod.
My first game I've played 50 years, with upper duke of Lorraine, and no problem to manage my vassals.... I'm bored and I stop.

I really don't agree with that. Stewardship is still an incredibly useful stat.

I'm pretty sure I could play Upper Lorraine for 50 years in vanilla and not have any vassal issues... I would reserve judgement until you've tried a larger realm, if I were you.

 

[Wizzington]

If you want to see vassal issues, I'd try the HRE, but really any decent-size Kingdom, or play a Duchy and expand.

 

[Wizzington]

I think you forgot to transfer some of the old events to the modded event files. the whole "5000" group of events was missing for instance.

No, those were intentionally removed and I implemented my own lifestyle events. It's in the .29 changelog.

 

[Wizzington]

Just looking through the files, but this mod sure looks interesting.
Any particular reason some realms (like Hungary or Poland) start with seniority instead of gavelkind?

I uncommented all the succession laws Paradox had made but then commented, because Gavelkind was not the universal law in 1066.

 

[Wizzington]

Put them in house arrest. You won't get any tyranny if they die in house arrest. I've also reduced the negative health effects of the dungeon.

I'll think on whether it needs to be reduced down to -5, though. I don't want to totally discourage people from using the dungeon.

 

[Wizzington]

To those with modding skills-

Is there a way to help the AI when it passes out titles so that it does not create "super" dukes? Right now the AI will pile on Duke titles to existing Dukes instead of creating a new Duke (or creating a new Count and promoting him to Duke). Is there a way to create a criteria that the AI uses when passing out titles (like # held already, relationship, unlanded close relations in the King's family, etc) and have it create a new Duke if none of the existing Dukes qualify? I ask because I regularly play as a Duke in Poland from 1066 and end up with a third of the Duke titles within 10 years (King's brother dies) and sometimes 2/3rds within 20 years (the other Duke sometimes dies without heirs).

I wish I could do something about this, but it's very much hardcoded.

EDIT: Hmm, maybe with a decision if it executed fast enough...

 

[Wizzington]

Hello Wiz,

I have dowloaded th last version of your mod (0.32), I choose to begin the game with Heraldry Mod and CK2Plus as usual, but the COAs are not the same as in the previous releases of CK2Plus .... A problem ?

Which CoAs are different?

 

[Wizzington]

Just downloaded your mod for a try and saw some questionable stuff:

1. Almost the entire Christian world lacks any technology whatsoever.
2. I appear to need to be an emperor to achieve medium crown authority
3. Playing as Norway, one of my dukes nominated my sister as heir?
4. Playing as Norway, my vassals were providing 6-15 levied soldiers?
5. I don't know if you managed to modify travel times, but it's about 560km from Trondheim to Lycksele. Even at a modest 10km a day that should take two months to march, not six.
6. The province of Lappland or Kven can match the grand army of Norway at game start. Kola Sami can steamroller Norway.

1) Intentional, it's so that places like Armenia and Ethiopia won't be so far behind everyone else. I'd love to give some region specific tech to places like Italy, but unfortunately you can only set starting levels for 4 very broad groups (Catholic, Muslim, Byzantine, Other).
2) No, you're reading it wrong. You need to either be an Emperor or not have a De Jure Liege who is an Emperor.
3) I have no control over this.
4) Yes, levies are significantly reduced and much more dependent on opinion. Raise levy laws / crown authority if you want more levies.
5) I have not changed movement speeds from vanilla.
6) Warrior cults, this is intentional so that Pagans aren't all conquered by 1070.