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I got a question about the new DLC. If there will be a new type of holding... What about cities like Constantinople already full of holding. It would be a no brainer to build a venitian trading post there... but if it is full... there is no place to do it... and the cities holding of constantinople will not get bonusses... and historicaly, there was a big venitian community there.
 

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I don't think palaces and trading posts will take up regular holding spaces. Else a republican player could fill all neighbouring holding slots with trading posts, and the only thing the neighbour can do about it is fighting country claim wars every 10 or so years.
 

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I don't think palaces and trading posts will take up regular holding spaces. Else a republican player could fill all neighbouring holding slots with trading posts, and the only thing the neighbour can do about it is fighting country claim wars every 10 or so years.

This. And I mean... Each familie had a palace... I don't think Gotland will have 5 Holdings only with palaces and one city!
 

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I don't think palaces and trading posts will take up regular holding spaces. Else a republican player could fill all neighbouring holding slots with trading posts, and the only thing the neighbour can do about it is fighting country claim wars every 10 or so years.

Yeah, while I have no information myself, either, I wholeheartedly agree with GothicEmperor (what a great, awesome nickname, by the way!). I think we can safely assume trading posts won't take up holding slots.

If you look at it this way, for example the city of Galata in the very "county" of Constantinople is basically an Italian colony (Genoa, Venice etc.). In later starts of the game, it may actually have an Italian Catholic mayor! (Such as in my Polish AAR.) A trade outpost would have to be a veritable city in its own right if it were to take a full holding slot the same way Galata does. On the other hand, they might do some reworking and actually reform Galata into an outpost. But even so, you would necessarily have a full city in that holding, not a minor EU3-style thing (+1 income from the province IIRC) actually taking a whole big slot from you.

I speculate that trading posts could be buildings erectable only in cities (no castles or bishoprics with such outposts) or they could attach in some other way to the county. In fact, possibly an additional holding slot but one only usable for the purpose of having a trading post there and not something else.

And as far as I can tell, palaces are not holdings. Venice in particular will need to keep the existing baronies and bishoprics, while I imagine it will have a hefty couple of palaces for the leading families within the city proper. Those palaces, I think, will generally serve and interest only the specific patrician family and not be a normal taxable holding that would be of interest to the liege. But this is just speculation.
 

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Take a look at the screenshots. The trade posts are in a separate tab.
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=69159&d=1355154049

Great! I like it. And there goes my speculation.

Oh, and what does it mean the blue ribbon through the kingly golden border around the serene doge's portrait? It's not the imperial ribbon because that's purple. It's basically the ducal ribbon that's put on the silver ring of a count to differentiate him from a duke. So does this simply denote a "burgher king" or are we getting a separate category of rulers higher than king and lower than emperors? I don't think the doge of Venice should be higher-ranked than the king of France, for example, although in practice he might have more oomph and more say in international matters than one of the smaller feudal kings, so I'm presuming this is just a doge ribbon to make him stand out from normal kings, but I'd like to make sure.
 

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Great! I like it. And there goes my speculation.

Oh, and what does it mean the blue ribbon through the kingly golden border around the serene doge's portrait? It's not the imperial ribbon because that's purple. It's basically the ducal ribbon that's put on the silver ring of a count to differentiate him from a duke. So does this simply denote a "burgher king" or are we getting a separate category of rulers higher than king and lower than emperors? I don't think the doge of Venice should be higher-ranked than the king of France, for example, although in practice he might have more oomph and more say in international matters than one of the smaller feudal kings, so I'm presuming this is just a doge ribbon to make him stand out from normal kings, but I'd like to make sure.

I think it's supposed to show that he's a Patrician. Baron-level Patricians have the same ribbon. If you look at the Grand Mayor you'll see that he has two shades of blue in his ribbon - probably a ducal and patrician ones.
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=69163&d=1355154054
 

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Me really does mean levies just like normal holdings, each of those families is fielding as many troops as a typical mayor does now. Republics are not going to be military walkovers for outsiders like current Lord Mayors are if the Doge can command all of them.
 

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I love the Paradox forums... In a few minutes there are a lot of nice commentator to give you informations and answers. Thanks to you all. I forgot to look the details of the screenshot. I'm now curious about the system of tradezone system you can see here : http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=69159&d=1355154049

It's hard to say how exactly will they work as there is little data beyond the original article. Most likely the trade zone (sea province) generates some value (probably from coastal cities and/or trade posts) and part of that money goes to the families in control of trade posts in coastal provinces, but we'll have to wait for a DD to get some proper info.