it's a shame that steam (but they're hardly alone in that regard: I'm looking at GG and Impulse too, and D2D as well) can't be bothered to stop ripping off it's european customers. 1$ =/= 1€. And the difference can be staggering.
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That has nothing almost to do with Steam, Impulse, GG and D2D. It is the publisher.
Blame the european government.. They take their chunk of vat first..
i would also rather like to see a GG release. i have bought all my paradox games on GG and i don't like to use steam for PI games because it is in fact an unnecessary tool which you really don't need for playing CKII!
anyway if you're going to release it on GG or other distributors aswell then you shouldn't privilege steam users with (beta) patches etc. because it's like creating some kind of 2 class community which can rise anger...
anyway if you're going to release it on GG or other distributors aswell then you shouldn't privilege steam users with (beta) patches etc. because it's like creating some kind of 2 class community which can rise anger...
Well if it's Steam, then I guess it'll have to be it. But can someone please outline which option offers what? This is getting confusing. All I want is to play the game. I don't want to have to think about Steam and Gamersgate and all these places. What happened to days when you can just go to a games store, pick up a game in a box, install the game and play the game? Or am I getting too old?
I don't think some are getting the point about VAT for some reason. =/
I shall make a bold attempt! Ok, so $40 = approx €30. However, there are bank charges and fees as well, so for each title it's probably more like €32 euro. VAT depends on the country, but if we take a mean of 20% (which I would disagree with, but it works for this example) on €32 its about 7 euro. So $40 = €39, or about that. Factor in daily currency variance and it pretty much matches the 40/40 mark. So Paradox Interactive is getting pretty much the same for each title whether it's sold here or in the US. As Johan so bluntly pointed out, if you have a problem with the price, blame your government who is the one collecting VAT.
So to say you're being ripped off is unfair at best, horribly inaccurate at worse.
...blame the government?
Most countries in the EU are a democracy.
So then that would mean that the blame should... be placed... on... the people?
Or perhaps the form of government is meaningless to this VAT system since only a select few countries in the world are VAT-free??? :mellow:
Who is ruling your world???? It is difficult to point the finger to accurately blame someone, isn't it?
Most countries in the EU are a democracy.
So then that would mean that the blame should... be placed... on... the people?
Or perhaps the form of government is meaningless to this VAT system since only a select few countries in the world are VAT-free??? :mellow:
Who is ruling your world???? It is difficult to point the finger to accurately blame someone, isn't it?
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I don't spend much time around here anymore but I have been around for a while and I have purchased every game that Paradox has developed themselves (some multiple times), besides Sengoku, and most of the expansions. I also use Steam a lot, but mostly for older games that are no longer under development.
The thing that concerns me is Steam's auto-patching. We all know that there have been quite a few patches in the past that have fixed one thing and broken another (or two). With Steam you have no ability to roll back to the previous version meaning you have to play the broken game or not play at all until a new patch comes out.
I won't buy any Steam game that is still being patched and will wait for the finished Complete version. At that point, once I have waited that long, I will likely wait for a 75% off sale as well. I know the loss of a couple of old loyal customers doesn't mean much in the whole scheme of things, especially with the additional audience you get with Steam, but I just thought I would put it out there.
The thing that concerns me is Steam's auto-patching. We all know that there have been quite a few patches in the past that have fixed one thing and broken another (or two). With Steam you have no ability to roll back to the previous version meaning you have to play the broken game or not play at all until a new patch comes out.
I won't buy any Steam game that is still being patched and will wait for the finished Complete version. At that point, once I have waited that long, I will likely wait for a 75% off sale as well. I know the loss of a couple of old loyal customers doesn't mean much in the whole scheme of things, especially with the additional audience you get with Steam, but I just thought I would put it out there.
They will allow beta patches through steam. So if there would be some major mistake in the patch they would release a quick fix beta patch until they would release another official patch. Still I don't remember having any patch for paradox game that broke something and never had the need to downgrade to earlier patch. So I don't really understand your complaint in the matter.
For modders it can be an issue. You might have a mod that works well with one patch but not with the next. VRRP, for example has had problems with the latest patch, I think.
Modders provide a huge value for gamers... Huge value.
The problem with modding is that it delays new game purchasing because modders greatly expand the game-life of any title they've made a mod for....and so those parties who depend on our money don't particularly like that delay in our spending, I would assume. So Steam helps in curtailing that....inconvenience.
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True, or from what I understand you can just make a separate copy of the game on your computer. But I've heard people say that it can be difficult to go to a particular patch on Steam, i.e. if you just bought the game, you can't then update it to the patch from date x, which is what some mods require.
But given that Johan's said that there probably will be some non-Steam patches available, people will probably be able to just install the base game, copy the files, then overwrite the copy with a patch from the forums.
You are mistaken. It's 100% the loss of Paradox. I have enough games for a lifetime and actually i shouldn't buy any anymore. Then there's Matrix games, Iceberg Interactive, Gog etc who continue to sell games without DRMs. It's not because everyone drinks Red Bull that i will also do it...following the masses is hardly a good argument. Btw, i don't want to end my relationship with Paradox, i just won't buy any new games.
You do know that games sold through steam do not nrcessarily need the drm enabled??
Sengoku and Victoria 2 are 100% drm-free when bought on steam.
I should of known that back when I bought Vic2 :/ While i prefer GG, i have friends who bought it on steam, would have been easier to play MP with them s:
Sorry for being a bother, but will this be the case with CKII as well? Just might go on the offensive and try to get some mates to buy CKII if that's the case.
Sorry for being a bother, but will this be the case with CKII as well? Just might go on the offensive and try to get some mates to buy CKII if that's the case.
I think they ignore all the posts where someone mentions this or its not really the reason why they don't like Steam.
They also highlight the weaknesses of games in a very readily accessable format to anyone (most importantly the developers).
This is only a good thing, as when developers are working on a sequal they can compare different versions of the original game and see which has features they could use in the sequal etc.
For instance I know with EU Rome paradox buffed the killrates after basically every mod released at the time did so. I'm sure the mods for other games did similar things to contribute to developement.
If lots of people play a mod for the original game, and then a crappy expansion is released but the mod is transfered to it, then lots of people may buy that expansion for that mod.
The thing I hate though is people who sell map packs as dlc... I mean really?
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