CK2 getting closer to Game of Thrones

[ferbenz65]

Is it me or CK2 is now closer to the spirit of Game of Thrones?

I'm a fan of the series but I've never played the GOT's mod. But, after TRP, I have the feeling that the CK2 experience has become closer to playing in the world of GOT: characters die unexpectedly for the most surprising reasons, you cannot avoid the temptation of torturing or humiliating your prisoners (too tempting even if you want to be a good guy), there are many twisted ways of excutions, there are different ways of asesination...

I love TRP and, after many years playing the game, now I enjoy it much more as I feel the game has been (deliberately?) very much influenced by the tv series in this new DLC. Is it me or some of you think the same way?

 

[Gamengervi]

Sounds like history.

 

[Cymsdale]

Next DLC: Dragons.

 

[WSnova]

It is known.

 

[Simmy93]

People don't seem to realise GRR Martin despite being a good author took most of his iconic scenes like the red wedding, the war of five kings and the nights watch straight from historical parallels. GoT emulates medieval history, what you're seeing is the original source of what GoT was based on.

Essentially because you saw it in GoT first doesn't mean it's the first thing to do it.

 

[GrafKeks]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy#Variation_over_time

For all those wondering, yes the current death rates are likely wayyy too high ( I haven't even bought the DLC yet, I will wait till Geheimnisnacht patches, and IMO if you wanna play vanilla wait one or two patches so the DLC is working properly.

 

[WankoStankins]

The game is becoming closer to a parody of the middle ages, wherein everyone is constantly getting murdered for no reason and dying ridiculously. The Game of Thrones mod is closer to ASoIaF, and is much more realistic, even though it has dragons.

 

[PK_AZ]

The game is becoming closer to a parody of the middle ages, wherein everyone is constantly getting murdered for no reason and dying ridiculously.

Really? It seems I should get The Reaper's Due ASAP.

 

[Kayden_II]

The game is becoming closer to a parody of the middle ages, wherein everyone is constantly getting murdered for no reason and dying ridiculously.

Sounds more like a typical Childhood-Illness of the latest DLC ...
That is the Cause, why I'm still waiting for additional Hot-Fixes^^

 

[MagnusDux]

I enjoy it much more as I feel the game has been (deliberately?) very much influenced by the tv series in this new DLC.

lol dude it was asoiaf that was influenced by the middle ages

 

[napoleon_mayo]

Is it just me or is EU4 remarkably similar to the board game Risk?!?!?

 

[jere8184]

The game is becoming closer to a parody of the middle ages, wherein everyone is constantly getting murdered for no reason and dying ridiculously. The Game of Thrones mod is closer to ASoIaF, and is much more realistic, even though it has dragons.

yeh i think the game has always been like this. as the lead of HIP said one of ck2s biggest problems is coherency. unlike asoiaf nothing anybody does makes any sense at all. you will kidnapped by your vassal just for him to rasom you so you can chop off his head.

 

[Thure]

People don't seem to realise GRR Martin despite being a good author took most of his iconic scenes like the red wedding, the war of five kings and the nights watch straight from historical parallels. GoT emulates medieval history, what you're seeing is the original source of what GoT was based on.

Essentially because you saw it in GoT first doesn't mean it's the first thing to do it.

But people should stop claiming GoT is close to history... it's not. It's way too exaggerated. Some things may have parallels but they were very uncommon and specific parallels. GoT makes them the norm. GoT don't represent the middle ages in an accurate way.

 

[Kapitalisti]

But people should stop claiming GoT is close to history... it's not. It's way too exaggerated. Some things may have parallels but they were very uncommon and specific parallels. GoT makes them the norm. GoT don't represent the middle ages in an accurate way.

People should also keep in mind that the Song of Ice and Fire books depict a very, very specific period in that worlds history. It's like looking at just the Wars of the Roses or the Thirty years war and conclude that they're fully representative of European history. Believe it or not, for most of the history Westeros and Essos are about as stable and "normal" as Europe during the Medieval and early modern periods.

 

[MagnusDux]

But people should stop claiming GoT is close to history... it's not. It's way too exaggerated. Some things may have parallels but they were very uncommon and specific parallels. GoT makes them the norm. GoT don't represent the middle ages in an accurate way.

GoT sucks, go read the books, the story is way better and much more realistic (besides dragons and magic xD)

 

[Robert II]

But people should stop claiming GoT is close to history... it's not. It's way too exaggerated. Some things may have parallels but they were very uncommon and specific parallels. GoT makes them the norm. GoT don't represent the middle ages in an accurate way.

Asoiaf is actually a fairly realistic with everything just being made bigger because fantasy and all military tactics being surprise flanking army in the rear.

 

[Zarathustra_the]

Surprise flanking in the rear did constitute a fair amount of military tactics prior to the advent of modern logistics. Even the vaunted Roman Legion was only tactically superior in that the army was trained for close order battle, and so when combat actually occurred unit coherency remained. Even the Napoleonic Wars demonstrate this, as the limit in actual tactical control of the battlefield tended to be the battalion level. In the British Army the Lieutenant Colonels effectively determining the entire flow of the battle. Hell Oliver Cromwell was regarded as a military genius with divine favour because he managed to do the hitherto impossible and attack multiple times with a single cavalry regiment.

Taking all this together, flanking the enemy in the rear with a secondary force truly was the height of tactical genius at the time.

 

[civilizedAustin]

Other than the growing number of supernatural events (which I enjoy), I don't see how CK2 is getting closer to Game of Thrones.

 

[Robert II]

Surprise flanking in the rear did constitute a fair amount of military tactics prior to the advent of modern logistics. Even the vaunted Roman Legion was only tactically superior in that the army was trained for close order battle, and so when combat actually occurred unit coherency remained. Even the Napoleonic Wars demonstrate this, as the limit in actual tactical control of the battlefield tended to be the battalion level. In the British Army the Lieutenant Colonels effectively determining the entire flow of the battle. Hell Oliver Cromwell was regarded as a military genius with divine favour because he managed to do the hitherto impossible and attack multiple times with a single cavalry regiment.

Taking all this together, flanking the enemy in the rear with a secondary force truly was the height of tactical genius at the time.

Yes I know war is messy and that surprise 20k men in the arse is a defeat and impressive to accomplish but there was more to war. Have you read the books or just being nitpicky?

 

[Zarathustra_the]

Yes I know war is messy and that surprise 20k men in the arse is a defeat and impressive to accomplish but there was more to war. Have you read the books or just being nitpicky?

As a academic historian, I have read much of the literature, and indeed contributed to it as well. Essentially, the most powerful force of tactical potency before the advent of the modern rifle was discipline. A man who could could hold a force together was worth more than one who could come up with intuitive predictions and plans, because at the end of the day if you could know that a man could hold his force together in multiple actions on the battlefield, you would possess an anvil upon which to build. But even with such anvils the tactics remained limited to getting a local superiority to collapse morale. Not until the machine gun did you possess the technology to actually wipe out the enemy.