any hints as to what pagan stuff got added? I have posted a number of ideas of paganism on the forum, that I am happy if you took advantage of
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any hints as to what pagan stuff got added? I have posted a number of ideas of paganism on the forum, that I am happy if you took advantage of
any hints as to what pagan stuff got added? I have posted a number of ideas of paganism on the forum, that I am happy if you took advantage of
Odds are it's all for Germanic pagans, unfortunately.
@Darkrenown indicated that it would have more stuff for non-norse.
but to get a confirmation.
@Darkrenown will there be more stuff for non-norse pagans.
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I hope it won't declare Seduction characters and very immoral characters (kinslayers, murderers, serial fornicators, etc.) to be pious and right with God or their gods. That'd tick me off, personally. Tying one's eulogy solely to Piety points means that late-game characters, wtih large cathedrals in their Church Holdings, would always be seen as holy, even when they are downright evil.
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Evem of we assume that the eulogy was written by the same church people who benefittet from the building of said cathedrals?
Seems pretty realistict to me, an official euology and how a person is remembered are oftem much different to what someone really close could say about the deceased...- 2
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Evem of we assume that the eulogy was written by the same church people who benefittet from the building of said cathedrals?
I'm talking about known acts of evil, like kinslaying and such. What I meant was that previous late game rulers built big-A cathedrals and the new ruler got a positive one, or more, Piety boost for doing nothing but breathing. It'd be an inaccurate depiction of his piety because his score would always be high.
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Known acts of evil and kinslaying? You mean like Empress Irene?
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The first four blue traits are probably extensions of the "Wounded" trait. The ones beside them are "Dull", "Shrewd", "Robust" and "Feeble".
The orange trait with the eyes might be Insomnia, the one with the question mark may be Amnesia and the one next to it is probably a Paper cut.
The red trait with the orange is intriguing.
The three viking traits may be just new models of the "Viking", "Berserker" and "Varangian" traits. I hope they aren't.
The Thor's Hammer trait is probably the Pagan version of the Catholic "Crusader". Really interested what the one with the wings is.
And the last one with the staff and snake could be a new lifestyle trait.
The orange trait with the eyes might be Insomnia, the one with the question mark may be Amnesia and the one next to it is probably a Paper cut.
The red trait with the orange is intriguing.
The three viking traits may be just new models of the "Viking", "Berserker" and "Varangian" traits. I hope they aren't.
The Thor's Hammer trait is probably the Pagan version of the Catholic "Crusader". Really interested what the one with the wings is.
And the last one with the staff and snake could be a new lifestyle trait.
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I'm arguing that high Piety should not be the main or sole thing that calculates the eulogy. For example, a character with the True Christian Knight modifier should probably get a pass for many crimes, but not, say, murder or Seduction, given that those are two of the biggest, behind Kinslayer.
As to Irene, that, unfortunately, is not in my area of historical expertise, but Google is my friend. It says here she executed her own son and gouged his eyes out because he rebelled. I agree the eye removal was overkill, but is it really suitable to call it murder if he tried to rebel and kill her first? That sounds fully justified to me.
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If he was true christian knight murdering was his job.
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Just to be clear; I fullheartedly agree that the more nuanced the eulogy algorithm the better, absolutely!
I am also of the opinion that sometimes how people are judged posthumosly is clearly subjective and your opinion of Irene's action is a great example - some terrible deeds are seen as justified, and some neccessary deeds are judged as evil. But traits are absolute, for example Empress Irene would be Kinslayer no matter if the execution was justified or not. So the factors should ideally be complex, and possibly include the opinion of powerful vassals and the character's religious head.
But then again one wonders if its not too much complexity for a short flavour text. If the devs have the time to write that in that's be swell, but if that were to take away from more pressing issues I'd say let the eulogy be simple.
EDIT: If we assume Piety to be perceived piety of the character, maybe some immoral actions should incur harsher Piety penalties than they do, so becoming a PArtagon of Virtue would require Irene to seriously root out Iconoclasm to make up for the whole kinslaying and blinding thing?
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It's not murdering in the field of battle. It hasn't been since the dawn of man, and it still isn't. Try your trolling somewhere else.
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I've always thought murder should be seen as more severe in your scores: I propose upping the negative ten modifier to negative fifteen, coupled with a negative one Piety penalty.
Murder is impious and should never be forgotten or brushed over. Even though King David sought after God's own heart, he still committed murder against Bethsheba's husband and was severely punished for it. He repented, but the punishment was still there, and David still had to face it. The same should apply here: you should pay a lasting cost for murder, and that lasting cost should be a negative one monthly Piety, or better, a negative Piety modifier proportionate to how much Piety you earn a month.
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Dev Diary, DownLoadable Content. Dev Diaries are basically where they give us a sneak peak of what's to come, DLC is extra content try create after the game is released to let us keep having new stuff though it usually costs money
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